Re: Minified javascript files

2012-09-04 Thread Jon Dowland
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:27:02PM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > 1) We have the source for the parts that we ship in binary packages, > yes. We do not, however, necessarily have the actual source for the > minified files unused for binary packages yet redistributed by us in > source tarballs:

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-28 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/29/2012 03:40 AM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > The point here is whether having non-free material, which is in > distributed tarballs but hidden by dpkg-source, would constitute > inclusion of non-free material in what we call Debian. (Of course we're > talking about "main" here.) > > Personal

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 11:56:53AM +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: Minified javascript files"): > > The problem I see with it, is that it adds complexity to the judgement > > of whether something is suitable for a source package or not (o

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-28 Thread Ian Jackson
Stefano Zacchiroli writes ("Re: Minified javascript files"): > The problem I see with it, is that it adds complexity to the judgement > of whether something is suitable for a source package or not (on all > actors involved: maintainer, ftp-masters, QA, bug reporters, etc.). Wi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand writes: > If a package has Built-Using, where/how will the build dependency be > downloaded? In /usr/src/package-name-? Build dependencies are installed in the same location that they're always installed; Built-Using doesn't change anything about the functioning of the package man

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Stephen Kitt
Hi Thomas, On Sun, 26 Aug 2012 23:43:32 +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 08/26/2012 03:37 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > > the Built-Using will documented in the next release of the Policy, thanks > > to the input of the FTP team. > > > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dbnpolicy/policy.git;a=c

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/26/2012 03:37 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > Hi Jonas, > > the Built-Using will documented in the next release of the Policy, thanks to > the input of the FTP team. > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=dbnpolicy/policy.git;a=commitdiff;h=4953fb7792b9fbe04c27dc817a2eb3cd9ab450b8 > > http://bug

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-26 at 04:37pm, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 09:22:24AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > > > > Interesting. Where is that documented? I fail to locate it in Debian > > Policy 3.9.3.1 or Developers Reference 3.4.9 - the documents available > > for Debian Sid. > >

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 09:22:24AM +0200, Jonas Smedegaard a écrit : > > Interesting. Where is that documented? I fail to locate it in Debian > Policy 3.9.3.1 or Developers Reference 3.4.9 - the documents available > for Debian Sid. Hi Jonas, the Built-Using will documented in the next relea

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-25 at 11:29pm, Stephen Kitt wrote: > On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:27:02 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard > wrote: > > 2) Each source and binary package (+ core parts) is considered a > > legal entity of its own. That's why we can refer to licensing texts > > existing in common-licenses, but for e.g.

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-26 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-25 at 04:21pm, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > Another problem is that the DFSG-freeness of the material contained > > in a (source) package is no longer a "local" property. If one day > > the package containing the corresp

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-25 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 12:27:02 +0200, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > 2) Each source and binary package (+ core parts) is considered a legal > entity of its own. That's why we can refer to licensing texts existing > in common-licenses, but for e.g. Apache license cannot refer to the text > shipped wit

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-25 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 12:09 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Another problem is that the DFSG-freeness of the material contained in a > (source) package is no longer a "local" property. If one day the package > containing the corresponding source vanishes from the archive, unrelated > packages,

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-24 at 07:13pm, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ben Finney writes: > > > It seems to me that the primary objection to the presence of these > > files without source is that they are then distributed as part of > > Debian, in the source package. That violates our social contract. > > The counter-

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-25 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 07:13:01PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > The counter-argument from affected maintainers is that we *do* have the > source. It just happens to be in a different source package. We even > know that, because when we build the binary package we use the version of > the Javascri

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Ben Finney
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Aug 25, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Upholding the social contract – that Debian, as distributed by the > > Debian project, remain 100% free – is sufficient reason to remove these > > files without corresponding source. > As I said, this is a religious argumen

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Ben Finney
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Aug 25, Ben Finney wrote: > > > Upholding the social contract – that Debian, as distributed by the > > Debian project, remain 100% free – is sufficient reason to remove these > > files without corresponding source. > As I said, this is a religious argumen

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 25, Ben Finney wrote: > Upholding the social contract – that Debian, as distributed by the > Debian project, remain 100% free – is sufficient reason to remove these > files without corresponding source. As I said, this is a religious argument. It's OK, billions of people have a faith and y

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Russ Allbery
Ben Finney writes: > It seems to me that the primary objection to the presence of these files > without source is that they are then distributed as part of Debian, in > the source package. That violates our social contract. The counter-argument from affected maintainers is that we *do* have the

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Ben Finney
Ian Jackson writes: > I don't think this should be fixed by changing the DFSG. The DFSG is > correct - sourceless minified js files, GFDL docs with invariant > sections, gimp-generated pixmaps without the original gimp source, > etc., are all Not Free Software. I agree entirely with that paragra

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Raphael Hertzog writes ("Re: Minified javascript files"): > I agree with you that it's useless work. But the ftpmasters believe that > Debian is made of source and binary packages and that the content of the > source package should respect DFSG #2 “The program mu

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Bernd Zeimetz writes ("Re: Minified javascript files"): > On 08/16/2012 08:59 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Aug 16, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > > >> I know this is tedious but what others think about this matter? > > This is another case in which the D

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 23 août 2012 01:01 CEST, Pau Garcia i Quiles  : >> I think the debate in this thread is about whether it makes sense to >> require removing the minimized version from the upstream source when we >> don't install that file or otherwise use it in the binary package (because >> the binary package

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Pau Garcia i Quiles writes: > While working today on Wt again, I've noticed if I were to repackage the > upstream tarball to remove jquery.min.js, I would also remove the > Doxygen-generated HTML apidox. After all, I'm also regenerating them, > therefore to me it's just a few thousands of useless

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 8:30 PM, Russ Allbery wrote: > I think the debate in this thread is about whether it makes sense to > require removing the minimized version from the upstream source when we > don't install that file or otherwise use it in the binary package (because > the binary package d

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Thomas Goirand writes: > While I can agree that removing the minified version of a javascript > script from the original source might be seen as (arguably) a little bit > extreme and annoying (but I do respect this view), I really think we > *do* need the normal non-minified version of every scri

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/22/2012 10:09 PM, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > Also please remember the Social Contract: > Our priorities are our users and free software. > > If I would remove an otherwise free piece of software I'm not using in > the binary package just because the original, non-minified version of it > is missi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/17/2012 10:21 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > Hi, > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, Luca Falavigna wrote: >> 2012/8/17 Bernd Zeimetz : >>> But it usually does and also results in a source tarball which is >>> missing essential pieces of the software, so people who download it for >>> non-Debian usage wi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Simon Josefsson
Damien Raude-Morvan writes: > IMHO, it's obvious that yui-compressor is not - anymore - the most > efficient javascript minifier and better alternative exists. It's > simply not used anymore by "big players" of Javascript libs (like > jQuery) so it receives less attention (even from Yahoo for YUI

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Le 22/08/2012 14:52, Simon Josefsson a écrit : Damien Raude-Morvan writes: IMHO, it's obvious that yui-compressor is not - anymore - the most efficient javascript minifier and better alternative exists. It's simply not used anymore by "big players" of Javascript libs (like jQuery) so it receiv

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Damien Raude-Morvan
Hi, /me put on his yui-compressor maintainer hat ;) Le 22/08/2012 13:03, Thomas Goirand a écrit : [About yui-compressor] On 08/21/2012 02:49 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: It is not used anymore and is therefore less tested and less trustworthy. Sorry for the dumb questions (which are kind of c

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Igor Pashev
20.08.2012 11:33, Thomas Goirand пишет: > So, could you tell in what way yui-compressor isn't considered > not reliable enough? Does it crash? Or does it produce bad > minified scripts? In which case: in what way bad? yui-compressor has a lot of dependencies :-) -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-22 Thread Thomas Goirand
[About yui-compressor] On 08/21/2012 02:49 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > It is not used anymore and is therefore less tested and less > trustworthy. > Sorry for the dumb questions (which are kind of conflicting each other btw), but: - If the only problem is testing, can't it be tested, so we kno

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-21 Thread Philipp Kern
On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:26:40AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Very important, anybody who deals with web scalability knows that > javascript minification is one of the first and easier steps you take to > improve performance. > > The current situation is just sad, and it reflects quite badly o

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 20 août 2012 09:31 CEST, Thomas Goirand  : >> I believe differences like that are not important, compare how gcc >> generate different binaries each time depending on parameters etc. >> However, if a minified file is shipped that cannot be re-created at all > >> (due to no minifier) I don't thi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 20 août 2012 09:33 CEST, Thomas Goirand  : >> Other minifiers (like yui-compressor) are considered not >> reliable enough. > Sorry that I asked you about this before reading this. > > So, could you tell in what way yui-compressor isn't considered > not reliable enough? Does it crash? Or does it

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 20, Thomas Goirand wrote: > If it's that hard to produce a minified version, then shouldn't > we use the "normal" version? How much speed-up do we really No. > get anyway (my wild guess: not much...)? Very important, anybody who deals with web scalability knows that javascript minificati

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/20/2012 03:34 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > Other minifiers (like yui-compressor) are considered not > reliable enough. Sorry that I asked you about this before reading this. So, could you tell in what way yui-compressor isn't considered not reliable enough? Does it crash? Or does it produce b

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/20/2012 03:23 AM, Simon Josefsson wrote: > I believe differences like that are not important, compare how gcc > generate different binaries each time depending on parameters etc. > However, if a minified file is shipped that cannot be re-created at all > (due to no minifier) I don't think shi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-20 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/19/2012 09:49 PM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > As for > verification, having the source next to the minified version does not > guarantee anything about the minified version Right, which is why we should build "from source" (eg: minify ourselves the javascript libs). > all the more that we > don

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-19 at 08:10pm, Simon Josefsson wrote: > Vincent Bernat writes: > > > ❦ 19 août 2012 15:11 CEST, "Bernhard R. Link"  : > > > >>> The difference is that we need to bug upstream about a file that we > >>> won't even use. There is no real bug (not even a licensing issue). > >> > >> They are

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 19 août 2012 20:10 CEST, Simon Josefsson  : >>> They are distributing files without source, so everyone else can either >>> not just easily modify it or verify if it really does what it is >>> supposed to do. This is definitely a shortcoming in what upstream ships >>> and really something you s

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Simon Josefsson
Pau Garcia i Quiles writes: > On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Simon Josefsson wrote: > >>> As for >>> verification, having the source next to the minified version does not >>> guarantee anything about the minified version, all the more that we >>> don't have currently in Debian Wheezy a reliabl

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Sun, Aug 19, 2012 at 8:10 PM, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> As for >> verification, having the source next to the minified version does not >> guarantee anything about the minified version, all the more that we >> don't have currently in Debian Wheezy a reliable minifier. > > That seems problemati

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Simon Josefsson
Vincent Bernat writes: > ❦ 19 août 2012 15:11 CEST, "Bernhard R. Link"  : > >>> The difference is that we need to bug upstream about a file that we >>> won't even use. There is no real bug (not even a licensing issue). >> >> They are distributing files without source, so everyone else can either

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Russ Allbery
Vincent Bernat writes: > ❦ 19 août 2012 15:11 CEST, "Bernhard R. Link"  : >> They are distributing files without source, so everyone else can either >> not just easily modify it or verify if it really does what it is >> supposed to do. This is definitely a shortcoming in what upstream ships >> an

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 19 août 2012 15:11 CEST, "Bernhard R. Link"  : >> The difference is that we need to bug upstream about a file that we >> won't even use. There is no real bug (not even a licensing issue). > > They are distributing files without source, so everyone else can either > not just easily modify it or

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-19 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Vincent Bernat [120818 21:18]: > The difference is that we need to bug upstream about a file that we > won't even use. There is no real bug (not even a licensing issue). They are distributing files without source, so everyone else can either not just easily modify it or verify if it really does

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 8:06 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Pau Garcia i Quiles , 2012-08-17, 13:39: > >>> 3) Make a new source package containing every jQuery version existing in >>> the wild, then build depend on that. >> >> FTP Masters do not like that solution. > > Interesting. Do you have any evid

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 18 août 2012 19:46 CEST, "Bernhard R. Link"  : >> That way, there's no need to strip unused RFC, minified javascript, Flash >> files, >> PDF without sources, etc. > > Striping them away is only the forth best solution. There are some better > solutions like: > > - make upstream include the sou

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Pau Garcia i Quiles , 2012-08-17, 13:39: 3) Make a new source package containing every jQuery version existing in the wild, then build depend on that. FTP Masters do not like that solution. Interesting. Do you have any evidence for that? -- Jakub Wilk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-de

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Bernhard R. Link
* Raphael Hertzog [120817 14:04]: > That way, there's no need to strip unused RFC, minified javascript, Flash > files, > PDF without sources, etc. Striping them away is only the forth best solution. There are some better solutions like: - make upstream include the sources - include the sources

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 04:43:51PM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source > > > package. > > > > Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian che

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-18 Thread Stephen Kitt
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 23:48:32 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 07:50:39PM +, Sam Morris wrote: > > tcltrf (source) > > * win/msvcrt.dll > > > > This is part of Windows. I don't expect Debian has been granted > > permission to distribute it. :) > > It's the run-time lib

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 01:19:05PM +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 08/17/2012 01:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > 3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra > > work. > > > Yeah, just annoying everyone for a minified jquery in upstream > tarball is, to me, a

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 07:50:39PM +, Sam Morris wrote: > On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:43:51 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > > > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > >> > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source > >> > package. > >> > >>

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Pau Garcia i Quiles , 2012-08-17, 22:35: http://lintian.debian.org/tags/source-contains-prebuilt-windows-binary.html This includes: tcltrf (source) * win/msvcrt.dll This is part of Windows. I don't expect Debian has been granted permission to distribute it. :) Are you sure it's not wine's

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Sam Morris
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 22:35:07 +0200, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Sam Morris wrote: > > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a > source package. Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check cou

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 9:50 PM, Sam Morris wrote: >>> > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source >>> > package. >>> >>> Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check >>> could alarm packagers of this? >> http://lintian.debian.org/tags/source-cont

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, Luca Falavigna wrote: > 2012/8/17 Bernd Zeimetz : > > But it usually does and also results in a source tarball which is > > missing essential pieces of the software, so people who download it for > > non-Debian usage will fail to run the shipped source just because we > >

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Sam Morris
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 16:43:51 +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: >> > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source >> > package. >> >> Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check >> cou

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-08-17 at 07:19pm, Vincent Bernat wrote: > ❦ 17 août 2012 09:39 CEST, Jakub Wilk  : > > [0] “The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be > > included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software.” > > That's true that the permission notice is not included in the

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 17 août 2012 09:39 CEST, Jakub Wilk  : >> 1. The license allows redistribution and modification of the >> minified version without having the sources. Therefore, we are only >> dealing with DFSG here. > > While jQuery license is permissive, it does impose certain > conditions[0] on distributors

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > Le vendredi, 17 août 2012 14.03:38, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : >> Maybe we should fix DFSG #2 to say “The program must include source code >> for all the files that gets installed in the Debian binary packages [...]“. > > With this modi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Luca Falavigna
2012/8/17 Andreas Tille : >http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/08/msg00397.html > and do you agree that a (enhanced) uscan could be this tool? Sounds good for the majority of the cases, I don't think there are too many repacked sources in the archive for which it's impossible to provide

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Andreas Tille
Hi Luca, On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 03:01:12PM +0200, Luca Falavigna wrote: > 2012/8/17 Jakub Wilk : > > Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work for us. > > Really, repacking shouldn't be a tedious operation, it shouldn't take more > > than 5 seconds, it shouldn't require

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Luca Falavigna
2012/8/17 Bernd Zeimetz : > But it usually does and also results in a source tarball which is > missing essential pieces of the software, so people who download it for > non-Debian usage will fail to run the shipped source just because we > removed an otherwise free piece of software. This does no

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Luca Falavigna
2012/8/17 Jakub Wilk : > Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work for us. > Really, repacking shouldn't be a tedious operation, it shouldn't take more > than 5 seconds, it shouldn't require writing two dozens lines of code and > documentation. :( ACK. Should we write a

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le vendredi, 17 août 2012 14.03:38, Raphael Hertzog a écrit : > Maybe we should fix DFSG #2 to say “The program must include source code > for all the files that gets installed in the Debian binary packages [...]“. With this modification, upstream might then include (distributable) win32 executab

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 17 Aug 2012, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > Given that I'm not using upstream's jquery.min.js at all, I wonder why > I should repackage the source package. I agree with you that it's useless work. But the ftpmasters believe that Debian is made of source and binary packages and that the conte

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:14 PM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > 3) Make a new source package containing every jQuery version existing in the > wild, then build depend on that. FTP Masters do not like that solution. Vincent's question was due to FTP masters complaining about the package 'witty', which I ma

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Bernd Zeimetz , 2012-08-17, 10:53: 3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra work. Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do this extra work for us. Really, repacking shouldn't be a tedious operation, it shouldn't take more than 5 seconds, it shouldn't

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 12:03:23PM +0200, Simon Josefsson wrote: > > So yes, we have the problem for precompiled windows DLLs in a source > > package. > > Interesting, that issue seems rather common. Maybe a lintian check > could alarm packagers of this? http://lintian.debian.org/tags/source-cont

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Simon Josefsson
Thomas Goirand writes: > On 08/17/2012 09:40 AM, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: >> >> >>> What I didn't know until recently is that the minified version in the >>> source package should be removed (or the appropriate full version should >>> be append

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Luca Capello
Hi there! On Fri, 17 Aug 2012 10:53:09 +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 08/17/2012 09:39 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote: >> * Vincent Bernat , 2012-08-16, 19:24: >>> 3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra >>> work. >> >> Part of the problem is that we lack good tools to do t

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/17/2012 09:40 AM, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > >> What I didn't know until recently is that the minified version in the >> source package should be removed (or the appropriate full version should >> be appended). >> > Do we also require

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/17/2012 09:39 AM, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Vincent Bernat , 2012-08-16, 19:24: >> 1. The license allows redistribution and modification of the minified >> version without having the sources. Therefore, we are only dealing >> with DFSG here. > > While jQuery license is permissive, it does impose

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 08:59:55PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 16, Vincent Bernat wrote: > > > I know this is tedious but what others think about this matter? > This is another case in which the DFSG has become a religion to be > followed in a literalist interpretation instead of a tool

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-17 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Vincent Bernat , 2012-08-16, 19:24: 1. The license allows redistribution and modification of the minified version without having the sources. Therefore, we are only dealing with DFSG here. While jQuery license is permissive, it does impose certain conditions[0] on distributors. In my experi

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 08/17/2012 01:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > 3. Repacking the original tarball just to remove those files is extra > work. > Yeah, just annoying everyone for a minified jquery in upstream tarball is, to me, a bit too extreme to my taste as well, as we all know where it's coming from, and

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, Aug 17, 2012 at 1:24 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > What I didn't know until recently is that the minified version in the > source package should be removed (or the appropriate full version should > be appended). Do we also require that for say, precompiled DLLs of GTK+ or SDL for Windows pl

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 07:24:32PM +0200, Vincent Bernat a écrit : > > On the behalf of the FTP master team, Ansgar Burchardt explained me why > the dependency to libjs-jquery is not enough to fulfill the "provide the > sources" part since the source in the archive may not correspond to the > vers

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 08/16/2012 08:59 PM, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Aug 16, Vincent Bernat wrote: > >> I know this is tedious but what others think about this matter? > This is another case in which the DFSG has become a religion to be > followed in a literalist interpretation instead of a tool to be used > for th

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 16, Vincent Bernat wrote: > I know this is tedious but what others think about this matter? This is another case in which the DFSG has become a religion to be followed in a literalist interpretation instead of a tool to be used for the purpose of advancing software freedom. -- ciao, Mar

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Russ Allbery writes: > Vincent Bernat writes: >> On the behalf of the FTP master team, Ansgar Burchardt explained me why >> the dependency to libjs-jquery is not enough to fulfill the "provide >> the sources" part since the source in the archive may not correspond to >> the version included in t

Re: Minified javascript files

2012-08-16 Thread Russ Allbery
Vincent Bernat writes: > On the behalf of the FTP master team, Ansgar Burchardt explained me why > the dependency to libjs-jquery is not enough to fulfill the "provide the > sources" part since the source in the archive may not correspond to the > version included in the upstream tarball. > I ag