Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, Jul 03, 2014 at 05:01:13PM +0200, David Weinehall wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 12:04:46AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > I don't think so. I think it encourages to be more easy going, and have > > fun, but never mind. Let's keep Debian boring^W^Wportland weird. :) > > Would you feel

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 12:04:46AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I don't think so. I think it encourages to be more easy going, and have > fun, but never mind. Let's keep Debian boring^W^Wportland weird. :) Would you feel the same if someone were to, say, upload a "hurd-must-die" package? Kind

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 01:53:06AM +0100, Wookey wrote: > But OK. I get it - this is still too contentious to have any room for > this sort of foolishness and if it's to exist at all it'll have to be > called something boring. That's a little sad, but we'll all > survive. This isn't supposed to be

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 01:10:51AM +, Clint Adams wrote: > On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 01:53:06AM +0100, Wookey wrote: > > But OK. I get it - this is still too contentious to have any room for > > this sort of foolishness and if it's to exist at all it'll have to be > > called something boring. Tha

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi, Clint Adams: > If you're going for non-boring entertainment value, have you > considered i-am-a-kneejerk-idiot-[...] Please adhere to the Code of Conduct. -- -- Matthias Urlichs signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:53 PM, Wookey wrote: > +++ Stefano Zacchiroli [2014-06-30 11:43 +0200]: >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >> > > ]] Thomas Goirand >> > > > +1 for keeping the name which

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Wed, Jul 02, 2014 at 01:53:06AM +0100, Wookey wrote: > But OK. I get it - this is still too contentious to have any room for > this sort of foolishness and if it's to exist at all it'll have to be > called something boring. That's a little sad, but we'll all > survive. This isn't supposed to be

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

+++ Stefano Zacchiroli [2014-06-30 11:43 +0200]: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > > ]] Thomas Goirand > > > > +1 for keeping the name which is funny > > What's funny about an OS stating public

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

+1 :) On Jul 1, 2014 6:39 PM, "Norbert Preining" wrote: > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > I don't think so. I think it encourages to be more easy going, and have > > fun, but never mind. Let's keep Debian boring^W^Wportland weird. :) > > +1 > > Fun is missing, humour even more. > >

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Thomas Goirand wrote: > I don't think so. I think it encourages to be more easy going, and have > fun, but never mind. Let's keep Debian boring^W^Wportland weird. :) +1 Fun is missing, humour even more. Norbert ---

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/30/2014 05:43 PM, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: >> On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: >>> ]] Thomas Goirand +1 for keeping the name which is funny > > What's funny about an OS stating publicly th

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Tue, 2014-07-01 at 13:01, Ondřej Surý wrote: > On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 08:15, Stefano Rivera wrote: > > Hi Matthias (2014.06.26_08:38:09_+0200) > > > Of these, roughly 20% have switched to systemd. And they apparently did > > > not > > > and do not have any problem with it, otherwise we'd hear

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Tue, Jul 1, 2014, at 08:15, Stefano Rivera wrote: > Hi Matthias (2014.06.26_08:38:09_+0200) > > Of these, roughly 20% have switched to systemd. And they apparently did not > > and do not have any problem with it, otherwise we'd hear about it. Here and > > other places. Quite loudly. > > Not nec

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:27:49AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > > ]] Thomas Goirand > > > +1 for keeping the name which is funny What's funny about an OS stating publicly that a specific piece of Free software---shipped and insta

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Mon, Jun 30, 2014 at 10:42:09AM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote: > ]] Thomas Goirand > > > +1 for keeping the name which is funny > > No, it's not. It's offensive to those of us who spend time on making > systemd integration in Debian be as good as possible. It's also offensive to those who thi

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

]] Thomas Goirand > +1 for keeping the name which is funny No, it's not. It's offensive to those of us who spend time on making systemd integration in Debian be as good as possible. -- Tollef Fog Heen UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Le vendredi, 27 juin 2014, 23.02:51 Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 06/27/2014 06:31 PM, Michael Englehorn wrote: > > Wouldn't glibc then fall into the list of things you don't like as a > > "required framework"? By that logic, all libraries must be > > hot-swappable with no additional effort by the

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Thorsten Glaser writes: > Russ Allbery wrote: >> Thorsten Glaser writes: >>> Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, >>> a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an >>> improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use them. >> That's fine f

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/27/2014 06:31 PM, Michael Englehorn wrote: > Wouldn't glibc then fall into the list of things you don't like as a > "required framework"? By that logic, all libraries must be hot-swappable > with no additional effort by the end-user. That's just not realistic. > > -Michael Are you aware tha

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/27/2014 11:53, Svante Signell wrote: > Before this part of the thread dies out, can anybody comment on this, > Simon, Ansgar, Jean-Christophe, ...? I think my earlier answer [1] covers this. [1] Ansgar -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 10:43:15AM +, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Sune Vuorela wrote: > > >The way is to put your time/money where your mouth is and provide the > >code. Asking others to do all the work is not the way forward in OSS. > > I highly doubt you can call _me_ someone who does not do w

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 27/06/14 10:53, Svante Signell wrote: > Before this part of the thread dies out, can anybody comment on this, > Simon, Ansgar, Jean-Christophe, ...? > > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 16:32 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: >> Maybe I'm naive but doesn't utmp(5) solve this problem? >> >> who(1) tells me in c

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

My fear is that systemd + friends are becoming a required framework, subverting the Unix ethos of a bunch of co-operating tools and libraries. It becomes increasing impossible to simply replace a component I might disagree with, or that breaks my use case, with one I develop because of all the cro

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Sune Vuorela wrote: >The way is to put your time/money where your mouth is and provide the >code. Asking others to do all the work is not the way forward in OSS. I highly doubt you can call _me_ someone who does not do work in OSS. You know, methods to clone a human being, time turners, etc. have

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 6/27/2014 3:59 AM, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > On 26/06/2014 17:43, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote: >> >>> udev itself is disabled in scripts as it keeps crashing >>> on my hardware. (Old powerpc server). >> Which bug number is this? >> > This is a

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Before this part of the thread dies out, can anybody comment on this, Simon, Ansgar, Jean-Christophe, ...? On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 16:32 +0200, Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 13:53 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: > > > Of course with the addit

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 2014-06-27, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > But this is precisely why we're in an OSS movement here. > We can change this, and we should, so that the other > solutions do *not* die out. We should *not* accept the > might of "the others all do this"! The way is to put your time/money where your mouth

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 26/06/2014 17:43, Paul Wise wrote: > On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > >> udev itself is disabled in scripts as it keeps crashing >> on my hardware. (Old powerpc server). > Which bug number is this? > This is a bug that I _think_ (following the lists) has since been f

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Russ Allbery wrote: >Thorsten Glaser writes: > >> Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, >> a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an >> improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use them. > >That's fine for you to feel that way, but tha

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Le jeudi 26 juin 2014 à 15:58 +0100, Alastair McKinstry a écrit : > On 26/06/2014 15:33, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > A few people said this about udev as well. Now they use udev. > ... and complain or suffer in silence. Don't take popcon as a measure > of people being happy to use a critical dependency

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Thorsten Glaser writes: > Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, > a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an > improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use them. That's fine for you to feel that way, but that feeling does not obligate

Re: systemd-must-die (was Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian)

On 26 Jun 2014 15:05, "Thorsten Glaser" wrote: > content of its own. I believe it does not need to be in Debian > itself, technically, but I agree to upload it if its presence > is desired politically (even to wheezy-backports). > Personally I would love it. Cheers. -- Alessio

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, Jun 26, 2014 at 10:58 PM, Alastair McKinstry wrote: > udev itself is disabled in scripts as it keeps crashing > on my hardware. (Old powerpc server). Which bug number is this? -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 On 26/06/2014 15:33, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jun 26, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > >> Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, >> a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an >> improvement, and who w

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Jun 26, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, > a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an > improvement, and who wish to be not forced to use them. A few people said this about udev as well. Now they use udev.

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 13:53 +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: > > Of course with the additional check that the students are logged in to > > that box locally, did I forget to mention that? > > ... or > something involving utmp/wtmp/other traditions. > > utmp(

systemd-must-die (was Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian)

Wookey worte: >> [11]http://users.unixforge.de/~tglaser/debs/dists/etch/wtf/Pkgs/mirabilos-support/ > >Can it be uploaded please? As has been observed, there is a reasonable >number of people who would like an easy way to control explicitly >when/if they change to systemd for pid 1. Having to get

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

[ ⏰ 26/06/2014 15:34 ] [ ✎ Thorsten Glaser ] > Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > >> So that students can do eg ssh mybuddymachine /sbin/shutdown ? >> >> (and they need to be able to shutdown their own machine, power is not free). > > Why do people always think that a proposal will automatically > e

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi, On 06/26/2014 14:33, Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:03 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: >> [ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] >>> On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: >> No, it didn't work

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Simon McVittie wrote: >tl;dr: these frameworks were not invented just to troll you, they do >have a purpose :-) Yes, I fully agree. But _please_ also realise that there are people, a non-neglibile number of them, for whom these frameworks are not an improvement, and who wish to be not forced to us

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: >So that students can do eg ssh mybuddymachine /sbin/shutdown ? > >(and they need to be able to shutdown their own machine, power is not free). Why do people always think that a proposal will automatically exclude all others? In your student scenario, you do *not* a

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Svante Signell wrote: >On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: >> >> No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as >> >> shutting down the computer. >> > >> > Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: >> > >> > -r

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Wookey wrote: >+++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: >> Hi, >> >> Andrew Shadura: >> > [14]http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=systemd-sysv+sysvinit&show_installed=on&want_legend=o >n&want_ticks=on&from_date=2014-01-01&to_date=&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%Y-%m&beenhere=1 >> > >> Sorry

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 26/06/14 13:33, Svante Signell wrote: > Of course with the additional check that the students are logged in to > that box locally, did I forget to mention that? Apparently yes. So you'll still need some solution to "is this user local?" - either an implementation of the systemd-logind API (pref

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 14:03 +0200, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote: > [ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] > > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as >

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, 26 Jun 2014 13:02:15 +0200 Svante Signell wrote: > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:45 +0100, Wookey wrote: > > +++ Matthias Urlichs [2014-06-26 11:58 +0200]: > > > Hi, > > > Which shows about a change from 'peak sysvinit-core' in mid-april: > > > > Mid april Now > > sysvinit-cor

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

[ ⏰ 26/06/2014 12:05 ] [ ✎ Svante Signell ] > On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as shutting down the computer. >>> >>> Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Le jeudi 26 juin 2014 à 09:34 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : > >No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as > >shutting down the computer. > > Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: > > -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* > > I never unde

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, 2014-06-26 at 11:59 +0200, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: > >> No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as > >> shutting down the computer. > > > > Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: > > > > -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/26/2014 11:34, Thorsten Glaser wrote: >> No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as >> shutting down the computer. > > Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: > > -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* > > I never understood why Debian do

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

>No, it didn't work. You had to be root for operations as simple as >shutting down the computer. Only on Debian. OpenBSD and MirBSD have: -r-sr-x--- 1 root operator 122716 Sep 10 2013 /sbin/shutdown* I never understood why Debian doesn't. bye, //mirabilos -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debi

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Thorsten Glaser writes: > For the record, I would be happy with a supported setup without systemd > that relied on using startx, and putting people into the "desktop" unix > groups manually. I don't think startx and fvwm are going anywhere, so, um, enjoy? :) fvwm doesn't depend on anything sys

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Le jeudi 26 juin 2014 à 08:31 +, Thorsten Glaser a écrit : > Can we have alternative dependencies that do not need to get > answers to these questions? This worked before *kit were even > invented, and this works on other OSes too. No, it didn’t work. You had to be root for operations as simp

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Russ Allbery dixit quod... >Simon McVittie writes: [ startx ] >> a virtual console, a locked X screensaver is worthless, because someone >> can just switch virtual console with Ctrl+Alt+Fn, press Ctrl+C and >> they're in your shell session. > >This doesn't change anything else that you point out,

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Simon McVittie dixit quod... >On 25/06/14 15:43, Svante Signell wrote: >> Regarding mate desktop policykit-1 build-depends on libsystemd-login-dev >> only for linux-any. What functionality is missing for other >> architectures? [...] >In Debian 7, PolicyKit could answer the question "is Svante logg

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi, On Fr 06 Jun 2014 01:21:27 CEST, Listeiro 037 wrote: Mate is no network applet on the panel. Anyone know what happened? The MATE philosophy is: re-use existing stuff where possible. E.g. as network-manager applet, use the GNOME nm-applet. Same with a pocket calculator tool. MATE ups

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Fri, Jun 06, 2014 at 01:11:04PM -0700, Ryan Tandy wrote: > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > > GNOME flashback AFAIK is a Debian thing. For sure it is NOT part of > > GNOME. We do have GNOME classic, but you already know that. I'm a bit > > confused. > > GNOME Flashback ha

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 12:14 PM, Olav Vitters wrote: > GNOME flashback AFAIK is a Debian thing. For sure it is NOT part of > GNOME. We do have GNOME classic, but you already know that. I'm a bit > confused. GNOME Flashback has at least some upstream presence: https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/Gnome

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Thu, Jun 05, 2014 at 01:17:46AM -0700, Octavio Alvarez wrote: > >From my point of view, GNOME Flashback just doesn't have enough love > from --pretty much-- anybody; this includes the GNOME team: no news > about GNOME Flashback in the 3.10 or 3.12 release notes (it was first > released in 3.8).

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

nm-applet, up and down stream? Em Fri, 06 Jun 2014 16:16:46 +0800 Thomas Goirand escreveu: > On 06/06/2014 07:21 AM, Listeiro 037 wrote: > > > > > > Mate is no network applet on the panel. Anyone know what happened? > > Not sure how, but I do have the network applet. > > Thomas > > -

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/06/2014 07:21 AM, Listeiro 037 wrote: > > > Mate is no network applet on the panel. Anyone know what happened? Not sure how, but I do have the network applet. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact list

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Mate is no network applet on the panel. Anyone know what happened? Em Thu, 05 Jun 2014 11:49:49 +0200 Alex Mestiashvili escreveu: > On 06/03/2014 01:38 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: > > Dear all, > > > > the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now > > fully arrived in Debian.

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/03/2014 01:38 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: Dear all, the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian. Finally!, actually I've been using mate-desktop since Debian dropped Gnome2 ( it was 1.4 at that time as far as I remember ). Thank you!

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/03/2014 05:36 AM, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > Again, I don't want to degrade the MATE project or your packaging > effort, not at all. But my questions and concerns are serious. I still > do not get the point of the whole MATE desktop now that it tries to run > behind and catch up with GNOME aga

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi, On Di 03 Jun 2014 23:35:05 CEST, Svante Signell wrote: On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 21:59 +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:38:44 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian. Also on kfreebsd :)

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi Thomas, On Mi 04 Jun 2014 07:46:45 CEST, Thomas Goirand wrote: And it feels goood! :-) Thanks a lot for the work. This is just awesome. :-) Just one tiny thing. Could we have a Debian logo instead of the Mate logo on the top-left, just as we used to? :) Just use the Clearlooks

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/04/2014 11:19 AM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > oh and ... no systemd, so it can run on non-linux ports! :) On that note, how are things with OpenRC. All I've tested so far is inside my test vm, where it works fine. I'd love to have it on my work laptop, if I just had a replacement for policykit.

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Tue, Jun 03, 2014 at 03:06:46PM +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > o GNOME classic/fallback/flashback has become obsolete by upstream AFAIK GNOME classic is maintained, it is a set of extensions against gnome-shell. Some distributions renamed fallback as classic, resulting in some confusion. > The

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/03/2014 08:36 PM, Fabian Greffrath wrote: > Please don't get me wrong, but I am still not sure if this tremendous > effort would not have been better invested in "GNOME Classic" or "GNOME > flashback" instead of creating (and packaging) another fork. I don't agree. There's many things that

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On 06/03/2014 11:14 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: > Hi Thomas, > > On Di 03 Jun 2014 16:25:01 CEST, Thomas Goirand wrote: > >> If I want to try in Wheezy using backports, I get: >> >> # sudo apt-get install -t wheezy-backports mate-desktop-environment >> [...] >> 0 upgraded, 69 newly installed, 0 to r

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Tue, 2014-06-03 at 21:59 +0100, Steven Chamberlain wrote: > On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:38:44 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > > the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now fully > > arrived in Debian. > > Also on kfreebsd :) Thank you for this! > > Testers: please remember t

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 11:38:44 +, Mike Gabriel wrote: > the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now fully > arrived in Debian. Also on kfreebsd :) Thank you for this! Testers: please remember to let us know at debian-...@lists.debian.org if you find kfreebsd-specific

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi Thomas, On Di 03 Jun 2014 16:25:01 CEST, Thomas Goirand wrote: If I want to try in Wheezy using backports, I get: # sudo apt-get install -t wheezy-backports mate-desktop-environment [...] 0 upgraded, 69 newly installed, 0 to remove and 251 not upgraded. Does this seem normal to you? How c

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Hi Fabian, On Di 03 Jun 2014 14:36:00 CEST, Fabian Greffrath wrote: The MATE desktop environment is a fork of what was formerly known as the GNOME v2 desktop environment. The MATE upstream developers have performed a really good job in integrating the old GNOME code with latest technologies li

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 El 03/06/14 08:38, Mike Gabriel escribió: > Dear all, > > the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now > fully arrived in Debian. > good job! thanks for you work! - -- Fernando Toledo Dock Sud BBS http://bbs.docksud.com.ar te

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

First of all, thanks a lot for your work! :) It's just great. I work in a complete different field in Debian (eg: servers and cloud), and it feels just awesome to see that others are putting a great amount of effort on the desktop. On 06/03/2014 07:38 PM, Mike Gabriel wrote: > @Testers: a basic M

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Dear Mike and dear MATE packaging team, > the MATE Packaging Team is proud to announce that MATE 1.8 has now > fully arrived in Debian. thank you for your contributions to Debian! > The MATE desktop environment is a fork of what was formerly known as > the GNOME v2 desktop environment. The MATE

Re: MATE 1.8 has now fully arrived in Debian

Dear Mike, dear all from the Mate Team, *big*big*big* thanks for all your work, it is very very much appreciated! Norbert PREINING, Norbert http://www.preining.info JAIST, Japan