Hi,
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 05:12:59AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
> > http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
> https://plus.google.com/u/0/11554768395172769
I demand that Adam Borowski may or may not have written...
[snip]
> No, it's something in the middle. Those who dislike systemd say it
> exaggerates systemd's claimed benefits, while Joss considers it an attack
> as well. Let's no go there for now.
>
> What makes this article worth reading is t
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Adam Borowski writes:
>
> > There are two ways to design a system:
> > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
> > the cost of portability and hackability
> > * the traditional Unix way, with a stress on replaceable tools that do only
> >
On 2013-01-23 20:45:49 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Adam Borowski writes:
>
> > There are two ways to design a system:
> > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
> > the cost of portability and hackability
> > * the traditional Unix way, with a stress on repl
Le mercredi 23 janvier 2013 à 21:03 +0100, Florian Weimer a écrit :
> Unfortunately, a lot of this doesn't apply to the polkit version in
> experimental, which replaces .plka files with Javascript (which
> sort-of enforces that only system administrators can configure polkit,
> and not other packa
Chow Loong Jin writes:
> * But if it ever fails due to a bug within it, $DEITY help you, because
> you're going to have to go through everything mentioned in your first
> point here (save the issues with getting patches accepted)
Sometimes, debugging can be easier in monoli
Adam Borowski writes:
> Putting it another way:
> * the monolithic design has a huge freeness problem. To do anything not on
> a rigid list of features you need to learn the intricaties of a large
> complex system, and you can be certain that even if you manage to do so,
> your patches wi
On 24/01/2013 13:09, Adam Borowski wrote:
> [...]
> * the monolithic design has a huge freeness problem. To do anything not on
> a rigid list of features you need to learn the intricaties of a large
> complex system, and you can be certain that even if you manage to do so,
> your patches wil
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 08:45:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Adam Borowski writes:
>
> > There are two ways to design a system:
> > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
> > the cost of portability and hackability
> > * the traditional Unix way, with a st
Adam Borowski writes:
> There are two ways to design a system:
> * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at
> the cost of portability and hackability
> * the traditional Unix way, with a stress on replaceable tools that do only
> one thing, granting freedom to
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:57:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> > > > This blogpost is months old
* Jon Dowland:
> On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>> You might find this useful:
>> http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
>>
>> I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
>> understand for the sysadmin.
>
> Just for the record I found it
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:57:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote:
> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> > > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
> > > http://www.pappp.net/
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> You might find this useful:
> http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
>
> I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
> understand for the sysadmin.
Just for the record I found it a good read, and mentally
Josselin Mouette writes:
> You might find this useful:
> http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html
>
> I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to
> understand for the sysadmin.
I read that back then when you originally posted it and I still think
it's one of the most useful
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 16:32 -0500, Theodore Ts'o a écrit :
> One of the big things which is incredibly frustrating with the D-Bus
> interfaces is that they aren't documented; and if they are documented,
> it's not obvious where.
I can only agree completely. It is very frustrating for some pl
On 01/22/2013 09:05 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
Worthwhile to read, definitely.
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a service
less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or that
conf
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
>
> http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/74r518xVUNH
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On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
> service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or
> that configuration files are less human-readable than shell scripts.
My biggest complain
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> > Worthwhile to read, definitely.
>
> Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
> service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposit
Josselin Mouette writes:
> Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
> service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite)
I was bit puzzled by this part too but I guess the author meant mostly
shell scripts here. If one uses e.g. python then dbus is often
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> > Worthwhile to read, definitely.
>
> Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
> service less scriptable (while the reality is a complet
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit :
> Worthwhile to read, definitely.
Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a
service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or
that configuration files are less human-readable than shell
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
> >
> > http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
>
> It appears to be the most insightful th
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote:
> Hello,
>
> This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections:
>
> http://www.pappp.net/?p=969
It appears to be the most insightful thing about systemd vs the rest of the
world I've ever read. READ IT, FOL
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