Re: Linux bounce handler

2024-07-19 Thread Ansgar 🙀
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Re: Linux Kernel ABI report

2016-03-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, Mar 13, 2016 at 1:02 AM, Ponomarenko Andrey wrote: > I continued to maintain ABI report for the Linux kernel: > http://abi-laboratory.pro/tracker/timeline/linux/ You may want to: Advertise this on LKML if you haven't already. Advertise this on debian-kernel if you haven't already. Add

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-28 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2015-10-27 at 23:00 +0100, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > On 27/10/2015 10:31, Ian Campbell wrote: > > > Hm, kernel.org says that 3.18 is the long-term support kernel. > > > > I'm afraid that LTS from kernel.org != stable support from Debian. > > > > Debian typically picks a single kernel versio

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-27 Thread Dmitry Katsubo
On 27/10/2015 10:31, Ian Campbell wrote: >> Hm, kernel.org says that 3.18 is the long-term support kernel. > > I'm afraid that LTS from kernel.org != stable support from Debian. > > Debian typically picks a single kernel version for a stable release and > supports it for the lifetime of that rele

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-27 Thread Ian Campbell
On Mon, 2015-10-26 at 14:55 +0100, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > On 2015-10-25 07:11, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:59:47PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > On 24/10/15 22:17, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > > > > I would be happy to. However it does not allow me to use the latest > > > >

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-27 Thread Dmitry Katsubo
On 2015-10-25 07:11, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:59:47PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: >> On 24/10/15 22:17, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: >>> I would be happy to. However it does not allow me to use the latest >>> kernel from 3.x branch (3.16 is now 1 year old). >> >> All Debian stabl

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 10:59:47PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > On 24/10/15 22:17, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > > I would be happy to. However it does not allow me to use the latest > > kernel from 3.x branch (3.16 is now 1 year old). > > All Debian stable releases are intended to be used with the la

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread Simon McVittie
On 24/10/15 22:17, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > On 24/10/2015 14:56, James Cowgill wrote: >> If you want something which gets updated and gets bug fixes, you >> shouldn't be using snapshot.d.o and instead use a kernel from the >> main archive. Install "linux-image-amd64" to get the latest one >> from s

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread Dmitry Katsubo
On 24/10/2015 14:56, James Cowgill wrote: > On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 01:02 +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: >> On 23/10/2015 22:43, James Cowgill wrote: >>> If you specifically want 3.18, you can download it from >>> snapshot.debian.org. http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/ >> >> Thanks, James! I t

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 09:47:39AM -0400, kamaraju kusumanchi wrote: > I am not the OP but want to offer two suggestions. > 1) In cases like this where the number of hits are large, show results > from current stable version onwards. That is instead of presenting > results from squeeze, wheezy etc.

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread kamaraju kusumanchi
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 3:39 AM, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 01:02:09AM +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: >> Thanks, James! I tried to search for "linux-image" but it finds only >> kernels from squeeze and wheezy repos: >> >> > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=a

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread James Cowgill
Hi, On Sat, 2015-10-24 at 01:02 +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > On 23/10/2015 22:43, James Cowgill wrote: > > If you specifically want 3.18, you can download it from > > snapshot.debian.org. http://snapshot.debian.org/package/linux/ > > Thanks, James! I tried to search for "linux-image" but it fi

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-24 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Sat, Oct 24, 2015 at 01:02:09AM +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > Thanks, James! I tried to search for "linux-image" but it finds only > kernels from squeeze and wheezy repos: > > > https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&arch=any&searchon=names&keywords=linux-image The page says "Your keywor

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-23 Thread Dmitry Katsubo
On 23/10/2015 22:43, James Cowgill wrote: > Hi, > > On Wed, 2015-10-21 at 12:35 +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: >> Dear Debian developers, >> >> I wonder if somebody knows what are the plans for packaging >> kernels 3.18.x and 4.2.x? 3.18 was released long time ago, and I >> think it is mature. 4.2.

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Dmitry Katsubo writes: > I wonder if somebody knows what are the plans for packaging kernels > 3.18.x and 4.2.x? 3.18 was released long time ago, and I think it is > mature. 4.2.x would be nice to play with. I have searched here: >> https://packages.debian.org/search?suite=all&searchon=names&key

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-23 Thread Stephen Kitt
Hi Dmitry, On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 12:35:47 +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > I wonder if somebody knows what are the plans for packaging kernels > 3.18.x and 4.2.x? 3.18 was released long time ago, and I think it is > mature. 4.2.x would be nice to play with. I have searched here: > > > https://packag

Re: Linux kernels v3.18.x and v4.2.x in sid

2015-10-23 Thread James Cowgill
Hi, On Wed, 2015-10-21 at 12:35 +0200, Dmitry Katsubo wrote: > Dear Debian developers, > > I wonder if somebody knows what are the plans for packaging kernels > 3.18.x and 4.2.x? 3.18 was released long time ago, and I think it is > mature. 4.2.x would be nice to play with. I have searched here: >

Re: linux-kbuild-4.0

2015-04-30 Thread Vincent Bernat
❦ 30 avril 2015 18:16 +0200, Markus Frosch  : > I was wondering if there is any special reason to upload linux-4.0 to > experimental, but not uploading linux-kbuild-4.0? > > Would love to test the kernel without building it myself. That's a frequent question. Some kernels got the kbuild stuff (

Re: linux-kbuild-4.0

2015-04-30 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 1, 2015 at 12:16 AM, Markus Frosch wrote: > I was wondering if there is any special reason to upload linux-4.0 to > experimental, but not uploading linux-kbuild-4.0? Seems like a question for this list: https://lists.debian.org/debian-kernel/ > Would love to test the kernel without

Re: Linux Kernel 3.17 Features

2014-12-11 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2014-12-11 at 21:08 -0600, Benjamin Przybocki wrote: > Hello, > I am aware that Debian Jessie will be using Linux Kernel 3.16, however > I was wondering if there is a possibility of Jessie including some of > the features added in 3.17 such as: getrandom(), support for Acer > C720, and supp

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-08-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sat, 2014-08-30 at 21:29 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 17:07 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 13:51 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > > > On Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:05:11 Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-08-30 Thread Ian Campbell
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 17:07 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 13:51 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > > On Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:05:11 Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > [...] > > > > * As David observed upthread the list i

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 13:51 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > On Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:05:11 Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: [...] > > > * As David observed upthread the list is bound to get out of date. > > > * The link between "Suppor

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-23 Thread David Goodenough
On Wednesday 23 July 2014 13:05:11 Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:50 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:18 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > > > > In the above package the description reads:- > > > >

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-23 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, 2014-07-23 at 09:31 +0100, Ian Campbell wrote: > On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:50 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:18 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > > > In the above package the description reads:- > > > > > > The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multipla

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-23 Thread Ian Campbell
On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:50 +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:18 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > > In the above package the description reads:- > > > > The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform kernel for > > Marvell Armada 370/xp, Freescale iMX5x/iMX6

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-22 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, 2014-07-22 at 20:18 +0100, David Goodenough wrote: > In the above package the description reads:- > > The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform kernel for > Marvell Armada 370/xp, Freescale iMX5x/iMX6. > > Reading the list of DTB files it includes, this list is rat

Re: linux-image-3.14-2-armmp description out of date

2014-07-22 Thread Neil Williams
On Tue, 22 Jul 2014 20:18:29 +0100 David Goodenough wrote: > In the above package the description reads:- > > The Linux kernel 3.14 and modules for use on ARMv7 multiplatform > kernel for Marvell Armada 370/xp, Freescale iMX5x/iMX6. > > Reading the list of DTB files it includes, this list is ra

Re: Linux Future

2013-02-24 Thread Toni Mueller
Hi, On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 05:12:59AM +0600, Andrey Rahmatullin wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections: > > http://www.pappp.net/?p=969 > https://plus.google.com/u/0/11554768395172769

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-28 Thread Darren Salt
I demand that Adam Borowski may or may not have written... [snip] > No, it's something in the middle. Those who dislike systemd say it > exaggerates systemd's claimed benefits, while Joss considers it an attack > as well. Let's no go there for now. > > What makes this article worth reading is t

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-25 Thread Uoti Urpala
Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > > There are two ways to design a system: > > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at > > the cost of portability and hackability > > * the traditional Unix way, with a stress on replaceable tools that do only > >

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-25 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2013-01-23 20:45:49 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > > There are two ways to design a system: > > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at > > the cost of portability and hackability > > * the traditional Unix way, with a stress on repl

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-24 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 23 janvier 2013 à 21:03 +0100, Florian Weimer a écrit : > Unfortunately, a lot of this doesn't apply to the polkit version in > experimental, which replaces .plka files with Javascript (which > sort-of enforces that only system administrators can configure polkit, > and not other packa

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Chow Loong Jin writes: > * But if it ever fails due to a bug within it, $DEITY help you, because > you're going to have to go through everything mentioned in your first > point here (save the issues with getting patches accepted) Sometimes, debugging can be easier in monoli

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > Putting it another way: > * the monolithic design has a huge freeness problem. To do anything not on > a rigid list of features you need to learn the intricaties of a large > complex system, and you can be certain that even if you manage to do so, > your patches wi

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 24/01/2013 13:09, Adam Borowski wrote: > [...] > * the monolithic design has a huge freeness problem. To do anything not on > a rigid list of features you need to learn the intricaties of a large > complex system, and you can be certain that even if you manage to do so, > your patches wil

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 08:45:49PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Adam Borowski writes: > > > There are two ways to design a system: > > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at > > the cost of portability and hackability > > * the traditional Unix way, with a st

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Russ Allbery
Adam Borowski writes: > There are two ways to design a system: > * a monolithic well-integrated system, granting features and efficiency at > the cost of portability and hackability > * the traditional Unix way, with a stress on replaceable tools that do only > one thing, granting freedom to

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Adam Borowski
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 08:16:40PM +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:57:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > > > > This blogpost is months old

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Florian Weimer
* Jon Dowland: > On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> You might find this useful: >> http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html >> >> I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to >> understand for the sysadmin. > > Just for the record I found it

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Philipp Kern
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:57:58PM +0100, Svante Signell wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > > > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections: > > > http://www.pappp.net/

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Jan 23, 2013 at 10:46:33AM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > You might find this useful: > http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html > > I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to > understand for the sysadmin. Just for the record I found it a good read, and mentally

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Josselin Mouette writes: > You might find this useful: > http://np237.livejournal.com/33449.html > > I made this presentation in the hope to make such things easier to > understand for the sysadmin. I read that back then when you originally posted it and I still think it's one of the most useful

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-23 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 16:32 -0500, Theodore Ts'o a écrit : > One of the big things which is incredibly frustrating with the D-Bus > interfaces is that they aren't documented; and if they are documented, > it's not obvious where. I can only agree completely. It is very frustrating for some pl

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread The Wanderer
On 01/22/2013 09:05 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote: Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit : Worthwhile to read, definitely. Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or that conf

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Andrey Rahmatullin
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > Hello, > > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections: > > http://www.pappp.net/?p=969 https://plus.google.com/u/0/115547683951727699051/posts/74r518xVUNH -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description:

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Theodore Ts'o
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a > service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or > that configuration files are less human-readable than shell scripts. My biggest complain

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Pau Garcia i Quiles
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit : > > Worthwhile to read, definitely. > > Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a > service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposit

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Josselin Mouette writes: > Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a > service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite) I was bit puzzled by this part too but I guess the author meant mostly shell scripts here. If one uses e.g. python then dbus is often

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:05:58PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit : > > Worthwhile to read, definitely. > > Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a > service less scriptable (while the reality is a complet

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 22 janvier 2013 à 14:57 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit : > Worthwhile to read, definitely. Yet full of misinformation, like the idea that using D-Bus makes a service less scriptable (while the reality is a complete opposite), or that configuration files are less human-readable than shell

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Svante Signell
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 14:41 +0100, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > > Hello, > > > > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections: > > > > http://www.pappp.net/?p=969 > > It appears to be the most insightful th

Re: Linux Future

2013-01-22 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:06:16PM +0100, Pau Garcia i Quiles wrote: > Hello, > > This blogpost is months old but it makes some interesting reflections: > > http://www.pappp.net/?p=969 It appears to be the most insightful thing about systemd vs the rest of the world I've ever read. READ IT, FOL

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-12 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-03-08 15:42:49 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Since 'at' is going to be updated in stable, I added a versioned > 'Breaks' instead. But since there may be other problems than with "at", announcing the change in the NEWS file would have probably be a good idea. Things that an admin was usuall

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-08 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2012-03-08 at 12:19 +0100, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Hi, > > On 2012-03-02 05:11:58 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > I'm therefore intending to warn about this with the following NEWS > > entry in the linux-image metapackages: > > > > Index: debian/linux-image.NEWS > > =

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-08 Thread Vincent Lefevre
Hi, On 2012-03-02 05:11:58 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > I'm therefore intending to warn about this with the following NEWS > entry in the linux-image metapackages: > > Index: debian/linux-image.NEWS > === > --- debian/linux-image.NE

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-03 Thread Adam D. Barratt
On 02.03.2012 10:47, Holger Levsen wrote: On Freitag, 2. März 2012, Kees Cook wrote: > + * The new kernel version includes security restrictions on links, > +These restrictions may cause some legitimate programs to fail. > +In particular, if the 'at' package is installed, you should e

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-03 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Fri, 2012-03-02 at 07:43 +, Lars Wirzenius wrote: > On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:11:58AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > + * The new kernel version includes security restrictions on links, which > > +are enabled by default. These are specified in > > +Documentation/sysctl/fs.txt in t

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-02 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Freitag, 2. März 2012, Kees Cook wrote: > > + * The new kernel version includes security restrictions on links, > > +These restrictions may cause some legitimate programs to fail. > > +In particular, if the 'at' package is installed, you should either: > > +- Upgrade it to at l

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-01 Thread Lars Wirzenius
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:11:58AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > + * The new kernel version includes security restrictions on links, which > +are enabled by default. These are specified in > +Documentation/sysctl/fs.txt in the linux-doc-3.2 and linux-source-3.2 > +packages. It'd be h

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-01 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
On 12-03-02 at 05:11am, Ben Hutchings wrote: > The longstanding link restriction patches were recently accepted by > Andrew Morton and are likely to end up in Linux 3.4. I've applied > these to src:linux-2.6 in svn and they should end up in the upcoming > version 3.2.9-1. > > We know that these a

Re: Linux kernel hardening - link restrictions

2012-03-01 Thread Kees Cook
On Fri, Mar 02, 2012 at 05:11:58AM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > The longstanding link restriction patches were recently accepted by > Andrew Morton and are likely to end up in Linux 3.4. I've applied > these to src:linux-2.6 in svn and they should end up in the upcoming > version 3.2.9-1. That's

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-09 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) writes: > On Jan 30, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 >> would you mind filing a bug about this?! Refering to your blog post is nice, > Yes, since the upstream maintainers do not consider this to be a bug. > > -- > ciao, > Marco There a

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 07 Feb 2012, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 07, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > Are you trying to make the point that, with containers, > > you wouldn't need ssh, and you would with VMs? If so, > With *OpenVZ* I do not need sshd, ftpd and cron in the guest because > I can use the one in the host.

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Tue, Feb 07, 2012 at 06:09:40PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote: [...] > It applies. The major point is that with containers, RAM is shared > accross containers (the same kernel is used for all containers). If one > container needs for a few seconds 200 MB, it can just use them. No > me

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En ce début d'après-midi nuageux du mardi 07 février 2012, vers 14:00, Thomas Goirand disait : >> With vservers and OpenVZ you can run each service in its own container >> with a small memory footprint. With Xen/KVM, you will need to allocate >> at least 128 MB for each container. >>

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 07, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Are you trying to make the point that, with containers, > you wouldn't need ssh, and you would with VMs? If so, With *OpenVZ* I do not need sshd, ftpd and cron in the guest because I can use the one in the host. It's a custom environment, but I have no way to d

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Russell Coker
On Wed, 8 Feb 2012, Thomas Goirand wrote: > With Etch, 48 MB was enough. With Lenny, 64 MB was enough. > With Squeeze, 96 MB is enough (the minimum is between 64 and > 96 MB, I didn't care investigating). And with 96 MB, you can already > run a DNS server, OpenVPN, or a (very basic) mail server. T

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/03/2012 08:53 PM, Adam Borowski wrote: >> ssh works. >> > It triples the memory footprint of an empty Debian container (init + syslogd + > cron[1]), and adds a new daemon that can be potentially subverted. > > Of course, usually sshd is strongly preferred (so much better than needing > n

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-07 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/03/2012 01:55 AM, Vincent Bernat wrote: > With vservers and OpenVZ you can run each service in its own container > with a small memory footprint. With Xen/KVM, you will need to allocate > at least 128 MB for each container. > NO ! The limit isn't that great. With Etch, 48 MB was enoug

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-04 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sat, Feb 04, 2012 at 05:15:26PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Feb 03, Bastian Blank wrote: > > > > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 > > This example shows nothing new. If you have CAP_SYS_MOUNT, you can also > > just mount the root filesystem into your own tree. > > > > Linux-VServer does

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-04 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 03, Bastian Blank wrote: > > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 > This example shows nothing new. If you have CAP_SYS_MOUNT, you can also > just mount the root filesystem into your own tree. > > Linux-VServer does not help against processes with too much > capabilities, not sure about Open

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-03 Thread Adam Borowski
On Fri, Feb 03, 2012 at 12:31:03PM +0100, Bastian Blank wrote: > On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 02:31:15AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > On Jan 30, Adam Borowski wrote: > > > It would be nice to have some documentation about how lxc is different > > > from > > > them, and how to work around bugs and li

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Wed, Feb 01, 2012 at 07:37:38PM +, Moritz Naumann wrote: > So there are obvious issues with LXC as a container solution for Linux, such > as > lacking actual containment (for the root user) No, it is not obvious. If you give a process a certain permission, it can use it. If you remove this

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-03 Thread Bastian Blank
On Mon, Jan 30, 2012 at 02:31:15AM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Jan 30, Adam Borowski wrote: > > It would be nice to have some documentation about how lxc is different from > > them, and how to work around bugs and limitations. I for one spent ~10 > Let's start with this: in its current form,

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-02 Thread Christopher Hagar
unsubscribe On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Debian 7.0 'wheezy' will include Linux 3.2. This is currently in > unstable and will soon enter testing. > > The kernel team is open to backporting some features from later kernel > versions, particularly to support newer hardw

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-02 Thread Vincent Bernat
OoO En cette nuit striée d'éclairs du jeudi 02 février 2012, vers 02:21, Russell Coker disait : >> However, a low profile container/virtualization solution is needed, and I >> know there is quite some demand for it: both some larger scale >> organisations and several smaller/non-profit organisati

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-02 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Thu, 2012-02-02 at 09:29 +0200, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: [...] > We tried the 2.6.32 VZ kernel on squeeze / wheezy / lucid / precise - > and it works. That's what I would expect, but it's good to know. > We have a PPA[1] for our experimental packages too. We > might run into bugs

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-02 Thread Moritz Naumann
On 02.02.2012 02:21 Russell Coker wrote: > Are there many users who need root containment but who won't have the > resources to run Xen or KVM when the support for Squeeze ends? I am convinced there are several hosting providers and NGOs who use linux-vservers for (amongst other) the purpose of r

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Jonathan Carter (highvoltage)
Hi Russell On 02/02/2012 03:21, Russell Coker wrote: However, a low profile container/virtualization solution is needed, and I know there is quite some demand for it: both some larger scale organisations and several smaller/non-profit organisations I am acquainted with use either OpenVZ or linux

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Feb 02, Russell Coker wrote: > Are there many users who need root containment but who won't have the > resources to run Xen or KVM when the support for Squeeze ends? Are there many users who like to waste resources (mostly RAM, here) for no good reason? -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Descri

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Russell Coker
On Thu, 2 Feb 2012, Moritz Naumann wrote: > So there are obvious issues with LXC as a container solution for Linux, > such as lacking actual containment (for the root user), which defeat sits > purpose in production environments as a linux-vserver or OpenVZ > replacement. > > However, a low prof

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 02/02/2012 03:37 AM, Moritz Naumann wrote: > So there are obvious issues with LXC as a container solution for Linux, such > as > lacking actual containment (for the root user), which defeat sits purpose in > production environments as a linux-vserver or OpenVZ replacement. > > However, a low p

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-02-01 Thread Moritz Naumann
So there are obvious issues with LXC as a container solution for Linux, such as lacking actual containment (for the root user), which defeat sits purpose in production environments as a linux-vserver or OpenVZ replacement. However, a low profile container/virtualization solution is needed, and I

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-31 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 08:02 -0500, Brad Spengler wrote: > Frankly it makes more sense for me to offer .debs myself than to deal > with a bureaucracy and non-standard kernel in Debian. It contains > who-knows-what extra code, and I doubt anyone looked at any of it to see if > it allows for some

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-31 Thread Dominik Schulz
Am Montag, 30. Januar 2012, 11:44:10 schrieb Marco d'Itri: > On Jan 30, Holger Levsen wrote: > > > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 > > > > would you mind filing a bug about this?! Refering to your blog post is > > nice, > > Yes, since the upstream maintainers do not consider this to be a bug.

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Brad Spengler] > Frankly it makes more sense for me to offer .debs myself than to deal > with a bureaucracy and non-standard kernel in Debian. It contains > who-knows-what extra code, and I doubt anyone looked at any of it to > see if it allows for some way to leak information I prevent against

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Mon, 2012-01-30 at 11:05 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > (adding few CC:s to keep track on the bug) > > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 21:26 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 20:57 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > >

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Brad Spengler
> Indeed. Brad, I'm not sure if you received the initial mail, so if you > have any comment??? It looks like there were quite a few messages I wasn't involved in ;) Regarding minimizing the patchset, we do that already where we see opportunities to do so. We used to carry a large constifying

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 01/30/2012 01:44 AM, Adam Borowski wrote: [...] > * how to ensure good isolation while still being able to do useful work? > The point of vserver is that even root inside a VM shouldn't be able to > affect the host, on lxc you keep hurting the host by accident. Messing > with capabiliti

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 30, Holger Levsen wrote: > > http://blog.bofh.it/debian/id_413 > would you mind filing a bug about this?! Refering to your blog post is nice, Yes, since the upstream maintainers do not consider this to be a bug. -- ciao, Marco signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
(adding few CC:s to keep track on the bug) On dim., 2012-01-29 at 21:26 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 20:57 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Featuresets > > > --- > > > > > > The only featureset provid

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-30 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Marco, thanks for these infos! On Montag, 30. Januar 2012, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Let's start with this: in its current form, it is not designed to > protect the host system from an untrusted root user in a guest. > So far lxc is nice for testing, but not much more. > http://blog.bofh.it/debian

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Jan 30, Adam Borowski wrote: > lxc wasn't anywhere near feature parity with vserver/openvz then. And it still isn't. > It would be nice to have some documentation about how lxc is different from > them, and how to work around bugs and limitations. I for one spent ~10 Let's start with this: i

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-29 Thread Adam Borowski
On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 09:26:11PM +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 20:57 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > > Featuresets > > > --- > > > > > > The only featureset provided will be 'rt' (realtime) > > > > >

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-29 Thread Christoph Anton Mitterer
On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 21:26 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > So in the end what are the reasons for not trying the grsecurity > > featureset? #605090 lacks any reply from the kernel team since quite a > > while, and especially after answers were provided to question asked. Whew I'd also be waiti

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-29 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Sun, 2012-01-29 at 20:57 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > > Featuresets > > --- > > > > The only featureset provided will be 'rt' (realtime), currently built > > for amd64 only. If there is interest in realtime support for oth

Re: Linux 3.2 in wheezy

2012-01-29 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On dim., 2012-01-29 at 18:22 +, Ben Hutchings wrote: > Featuresets > --- > > The only featureset provided will be 'rt' (realtime), currently built > for amd64 only. If there is interest in realtime support for other > architectures, we may be able to add that. However, we do need to

Re: Linux Mint 12 in Debian?

2011-12-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le samedi 31 décembre 2011 à 14:21 +0100, Svante Signell a écrit : > Currently I have 164 packages from unstable not being upgraded since I > don't want to dist-upgrade. Will a majority of these packages be > installed after installing gnome-session-fallback. Packages I want > upgraded are e.g. br

Re: Linux Mint 12 in Debian?

2011-12-31 Thread Svante Signell
On Sat, 2011-12-31 at 01:00 +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le vendredi 30 dcembre 2011 19:20 +0100, Svante Signell a crit : > > I'm very reluctant to upgrade to gnome3, I have it on one box, and > > don't like it. ... > > Looks like there is a gnome-session-fallback similar to gnome 2 > > avai

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