Daniel Baumann writes:
> On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
>> It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
>> would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
>
> sometime ago
On Mon, May 31, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Marc Haber
wrote:
> I fully agree. The grub situation is as with KDE: Old version
> abandoned, new version not finished.
Not exactly. I was testing KDE4 since 3.97 and it was quite
interesting and amusing. Not many people like to test bootloader on
themself, thou
On Mon, 31 May 2010 15:56:38 +0200, Josip Rodin
wrote:
>So all this "lilo needs to die now, everyone quickly get grub2" talk does
>look a fair bit premature. Cynics might say amateurish or worse, YMMV.
>grub2 won't magically get better if we just throw more users at it.
I fully agree. The grub si
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 11:08:21AM +0100, Chris Carr wrote:
> On 25/05/2010 10:00, Harald Braumann wrote:
>> On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
>>> (4) Users need to test grub2 now.
>>
>> I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
>> systems wit
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 04:43:32PM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
> On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT), Andreas Barth wrote:
> > Stephen Powell wrote:
> >> On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
> >>> After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pre
On Sat, May 29, 2010 at 04:51:09PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> >Right, but also note that there's an open RFH on grub2 #248397
> >(retitled/refreshed recently, despite the low bug number).
>
> As long as there are tested-and-ready-to-apply[1] patches rotting away
> in the BTS without any comments,
On Sat, 29 May 2010 14:40:41 -0400 (EDT), Andreas Barth wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
>>> After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
>>> much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line pas
* Stephen Powell (zlinux...@wowway.com) [100523 21:21]:
> On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
> > After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
> > much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
> > lilo can reliably de
On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:26:48 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli
wrote:
>On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 02:08:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
>> This also means that the grub2 maintainers (both Debian and Upstream)
>> need to work on the regressions that exist in regard to moving from
>> lilo or grub "legacy" to gru
On Fri, 28 May 2010 16:44:11 -0400 (EDT), Peter Samuelson wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> It *does* recognize lilo and has special logic to patch lilo after
>> the restore so that the machine will boot.
>
> So can this software be fooled into thinking it is dealing with lilo?
> Would it be suffi
[Stephen Powell]
> It *does* recognize lilo and has special logic to patch lilo after
> the restore so that the machine will boot.
So can this software be fooled into thinking it is dealing with lilo?
Would it be sufficient to rename /boot/extlinux/extlinux.sys to
/boot/maps or something?
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Le vendredi 28 mai 2010 à 10:45 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
> Unfortunately, logical backups of a Linux machine using the extlinux
> boot loader do not work with our backup/restore software. The master boot
> record and partition boot sector are restored correctly, but
> /boot/extlinux/extlinu
On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:12:27 -0400 (EDT), Stephen Powell wrote:
> Boyd Stephen Smith Jr. wrote:
>> No software is entirely without cost ...
>> volunteers work on whatever they like ...
>> your specific requirements may differ from their goals ...
>> volunteers are rarely concerned with "market sh
2010/5/26 Joachim Wiedorn :
> Harald Braumann wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
>>
>> On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
>> stuff -- it works quite well.
>
> This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
>
>> On other systems it often breaks miserably. Update
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 07:10:37PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 06:13:13PM +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> > Colin added himself to the Uploaders field when I requested him to do so,
> > as he's been in charge of Ubuntu's switch to GRUB2 for Ubuntu and after
> > the "dis
Samuel Thibault writes:
> Paul Vojta, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:47:14 +, a écrit :
>> In article ,
>> Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>>
>>> Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
>>> which only LILO can do, I recommend you start complaining on the
>>> Syslinux and the Gru
In gmane.linux.debian.devel.general Stephen Powell wrote:
> But like lilo it stays out of unallocated (and therefore not backed up)
> sectors. The boot block of extlinux is installed in the boot sector
> of a partition, and the second stage loader occupies a file within the
> partition. It does
Paul Vojta, le Thu 27 May 2010 00:47:14 +, a écrit :
> In article ,
> Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> >
> >Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
> >which only LILO can do, I recommend you start complaining on the
> >Syslinux and the Grub mailing lists. I suppose it w
In article ,
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>Sorry, I don't trust in the future of LILO myself. If there's anything
>which only LILO can do, I recommend you start complaining on the
>Syslinux and the Grub mailing lists. I suppose it will be heard.
Does either grub2 or syslinux allow for single-key boo
On Wed, 26 May 2010 00:23:04 -0400 (EDT), Daniel Baumann wrote:
> On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> ...
>> That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
>> downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
>> be copied into these directories which
Bjørn Mork, le Wed 26 May 2010 10:45:49 +0200, a écrit :
> Just comparing http://git.kernel.org/?p=boot/syslinux/syslinux.git with
> http://bzr.savannah.gnu.org/r/grub/trunk/grub/ should IMHO give more
> than enough information to choose extlinux over grub2
I don't understand what you mean her
Daniel Baumann writes:
> as of current git, you can now use EXTLINUX_UPDATE=false in
> /etc/default/extlinux to prevent having update-extlinux do anything.
That's the single feature I misseded. Thanks.
Although it would be even better if it was possible to include some
fixed part in it, while
On 05/26/2010 03:36 AM, Stephen Powell wrote:
> That works for now; but if a package upgrade for extlinux is ever
> downloaded, I'm afraid that new versions of the hook scripts will
> be copied into these directories which are marked executable, and
> my hand-made configuration file will get wiped
On Tue, 25 May 2010 11:10:38 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Stephen Powell wrote:
>> ... I installed the mbr package ...
>
> The extlinux package itself also contains an mbr.bin, which you can use
> (it's strong point is probably EBIOS support).
So it does. Well, I've now installed extlinux
Harald Braumann wrote on Tue, 25 May 2010:
>
> On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
> stuff -- it works quite well.
This is enough to use grub2 for new installing of Debian.
> On other systems it often breaks miserably. Updates leave my system
> unbootable every
Stephen Powell writes:
> Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>> Stephen Powell writes:
>>>
>>> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
>>> the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
>>
>> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
>
> It doe
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 09:22:13AM -0400, Stephen Powell wrote:
[snip]
> Speaking of documentation, that seems to be its main weakness.
> Documentation is sketchy and spread out over a number of different files.
> I would have had a hard time configuring it if it weren't for
> correct guesses bas
On Tue, 25 May 2010 07:08:20 -0400 (EDT), Mihamina Rakotomandimby wrote:
> William Pitcock wrote:
>> This bug *can* be fixed, but not without a significant rewrite of the
>> way that lilo's stage2 loader code works. Given that there is no
>> active upstream and that the Debian lilo package carrie
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Stephen Powell writes:
>>
>> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
>> the master boot record and outside of a partition ...
>
> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
Well, I tried extlinux last night, and I am
Hello,
On 05/23/2010 03:44 PM, Julien BLACHE wrote:
> Darren Salt wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
>> Working fine here on i386, whether booting a stock kernel (testing with
>> 2.6.33 from experimental) or a custom kernel. I've not checked a stock kernel
>> on amd64 for some time now, but I've seen no problem
On 25/05/2010 10:00, Harald Braumann wrote:
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
(4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed success.
[snip]
Because of this, coupled with the many ope
Hi,
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 10:39:52PM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> (4) Users need to test grub2 now.
I've been using grub2 for quite some time now on several different
systems with mixed success.
On simple standard system -- one disk, one kernel in /boot, no fancy
stuff -- it works quite wel
I demand that Ferenc Wagner may or may not have written...
[snip]
> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect. It
> lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy would be
> easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
Given an upload of a 4.00
On 05/24/2010 10:07 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Could this also be eventually added as an alternative to grub2 in the
> installer?
i've talked with otavio about this already a year ago, as i'm much in
favour[0] of extlinux over grub2 anyway, but i didn't got arround to
finally push it. if anyone
Daniel Baumann writes:
> On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
>> It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
>> would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
>
> sometime ago
Le lundi 24 mai 2010 à 20:46 +0200, Daniel Baumann a écrit :
> On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> > You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
> > It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
> > would be easy to adapt, and I actually
Le dimanche 23 mai 2010 à 20:48 -0400, Stephen Powell a écrit :
> I do understand why a Debian package maintainer does not wish to become
> "upstream". And I hope that someone who is both willing and able to do
> so steps up to the plate. But withdrawing it from the distribution seems
> like ove
Stephen Powell writes:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>> Stephen Powell writes:
>>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
Stephen Powell writes:
> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
> the m
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:38:55 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Stephen Powell writes:
>> On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>>> Stephen Powell writes:
Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
the master boot record [...]
>>>
>>>
On 05/24/2010 11:29 AM, Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this respect.
> It lacks a convenient configuration system, but that of grub-legacy
> would be easy to adapt, and I actually plan to work on this.
sometime ago i've added extliux-install and upd
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:01:30 -0400 (EDT), Edward Allcutt wrote:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
>> To the best of my knowledge, lilo is the *only* bootloader which supports
>> setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
>> the master boot record and outsid
Stephen Powell writes:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>> Stephen Powell writes:
>>>
>>> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
>>> the master boot record [...]
>>
>> You may want to try extlinux, it works much like LILO in this re
Stephen Powell writes:
> On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>> Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>>> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
William Pitcock (22/05/2010):
> This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
>
On Mon, 24 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
To the best of my knowledge, it is the *only* bootloader which supports
setting an initial text video mode *and* does not use any sectors outside
the master boot record and outside of a partition. If I'm wrong about
that, someone please correct me.
gr
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 06:13:13PM +0200, Jordi Mallach wrote:
> Colin added himself to the Uploaders field when I requested him to do so,
> as he's been in charge of Ubuntu's switch to GRUB2 for Ubuntu and after
> the "disappearance" of Felix and Robert, he's the Debian person with more
> experien
[Please Cc: replies, I'm not subscribed to debian-devel ]
Stephen Powell wrote:
> What about Jordi Mallach and Colin Watson? The package page for grub-pc
> lists them as maintainers too. Have they disappeared as well? Or are
> they no longer maintainers for this package? In which case their na
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:29:56 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Stephen Powell writes:
>>
>> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
>> the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
>> software that my employer uses. This backup software backs up
On moandei 24 Maaie 2010, Christian PERRIER wrote:
> yes, keeping lilo in the
> archive is a burden for some other people (security team,
I would like to correct the suggestion that the security team would oppose
keeping lilo in squeeze. There is currently no such objection, and in the past
the
On Mon, 24 May 2010 05:36:32 -0400 (EDT), Ferenc Wagner wrote:
> Kurt Roeckx wrote:
>> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>>> William Pitcock (22/05/2010):
This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
is released so that any issues c
Stephen Powell writes:
> Both grub-legacy and grub-pc use sectors on the hard disk outside of
> the master boot record [...] This breaks the design of the backup
> software that my employer uses. This backup software backs up the
> master boot record and all partitions; but since the extra secto
Kurt Roeckx writes:
> On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
>> William Pitcock (22/05/2010):
>>> This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
>>> is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
>>
>> There should also be some folks fixing t
On 2010-05-24, Florian Zagler wrote:
> Don't drop lilo in squeeze but mark it orphaned. Leave it in Squeeze and
> schedule the removal for Squeeze+1.
Orphaned packages in a release are a pain if nobody steps up to fix RC bugs
suddenly popping up in stable.
Kind regards,
Philipp Kern
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Quoting Stanislav Maslovski (stanislav.maslov...@gmail.com):
> > Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
> > lilo upstream, it's going away.
>
> That is why I love reading d-dev. Some debian developers are so good
> at argumentation!
Everybody has time constrain
On Monday, 24. May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
> I do understand why a Debian package maintainer does not wish to become
> "upstream". And I hope that someone who is both willing and able to do
> so steps up to the plate. But withdrawing it from the distribution seems
> like overkill to me, espec
On Sun, 23 May 2010, Stephen Powell wrote:
> But withdrawing it from the distribution seems like overkill to me,
> especially since you want to withdraw it from Squeeze and not
> Squeeze+1. Lilo, as it exists today, works just fine for my
> purposes.
If the maintainer doesn't wish to maintain it f
On Sun, 23 May 2010 16:11:30 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
> "Stephen Powell" wrote:
>> (blah blah blah blah)
>
> Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
> lilo upstream, it's going away.
>
> William
I do understand why a Debian package maintainer does not
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 12:11:30AM +0400, William Pitcock wrote:
> Hi,
>
> - "Stephen Powell" wrote:
>
> > (blah blah blah blah)
>
> Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
> lilo upstream, it's going away.
That is why I love reading d-dev. Some debian dev
Hi,
- "Stephen Powell" wrote:
> (blah blah blah blah)
Nobody cares if you are opposed to it. Unless you are offering to become
lilo upstream, it's going away.
William
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On Sat, 22 May 2010 23:39:52 -0400 (EDT), William Pitcock wrote:
>
> After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
> much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
> lilo can reliably determine the payload size.
>
> This bug *can* be fixed, but n
Darren Salt wrote:
Hi,
>>> Working fine here on i386, whether booting a stock kernel (testing with
>>> 2.6.33 from experimental) or a custom kernel. I've not checked a stock
>>> kernel on amd64 for some time now, but I've seen no problems with my
>>> custom kernels (which are all initrd-free).
>
I demand that Julien BLACHE may or may not have written...
> Darren Salt wrote:
>> Working fine here on i386, whether booting a stock kernel (testing with
>> 2.6.33 from experimental) or a custom kernel. I've not checked a stock
>> kernel on amd64 for some time now, but I've seen no problems with
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 02:08:59PM +0200, Marc Haber wrote:
> This also means that the grub2 maintainers (both Debian and Upstream)
> need to work on the regressions that exist in regard to moving from
> lilo or grub "legacy" to grub2. There are too many bug reports in the
> BTS which are completel
On Sat, 22 May 2010 22:39:52 -0500, William Pitcock
wrote:
>This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze is
>released so that any issues can be resolved now.
This also means that the grub2 maintainers (both Debian and Upstream)
need to work on the regressions that exist in
Darren Salt wrote:
Hi,
> Working fine here on i386, whether booting a stock kernel (testing with
> 2.6.33 from experimental) or a custom kernel. I've not checked a stock kernel
> on amd64 for some time now, but I've seen no problems with my custom kernels
> (which are all initrd-free).
No probl
I demand that William Pitcock may or may not have written...
> After some discussion about lilo on #debian-devel in IRC, it has pretty
> much been determined that kernel sizes have crossed the line past where
> lilo can reliably determine the payload size.
Working fine here on i386, whether booti
On Sun, May 23, 2010 at 01:11:48PM +0200, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> William Pitcock (22/05/2010):
> > This means that users should *test grub2 extensively* before Squeeze
> > is released so that any issues can be resolved now.
>
> There should also be some folks fixing the discovered issues.
grub
(Dropping -release, which isn't a discussion list.)
William Pitcock (22/05/2010):
> Given that there is no active upstream and that the Debian lilo
> package carries many patches for bug fixes that are alleviated by
> standardizing on grub2, this seems like the best option for Debian.
Speaking o
Samuel Thibault writes:
> Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
>> Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> >> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
>> >> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
>> >> without capability to rescue
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
> Ferenc Wagner wrote:
>
>> "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
>>
>>> Does grub use the unallocated disk space near the MBR?
>>
>> Yes. As far as I know, even grub2 does so, but pls. correct me.
>
> So next question: why does windoze installation write to these block
Ferenc Wagner wrote:
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
Does grub use the unallocated disk space near the MBR?
Yes. As far as I know, even grub2 does so, but pls. correct me.
So next question: why does windoze installation write to these block
(but not to MBR)? Ah, ok the "windoze" in questio
"Giacomo A. Catenazzi" writes:
> Does grub use the unallocated disk space near the MBR?
Yes. As far as I know, even grub2 does so, but pls. correct me.
> there was a discussion about poor performance if partitions/
> filesystem was not aligned to the "physical" block sectors.
I also heard hpa
Samuel Thibault wrote:
Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
Samuel Thibault wrote:
I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
(to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
without capability to rescue something). Also resc
Giacomo Catenazzi, le Wed 08 Apr 2009 19:47:55 +0200, a écrit :
> Samuel Thibault wrote:
> >> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
> >> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
> >> without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:05:43AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 08:53 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 10:13:32AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> > > I agree here too. I think these install paths could be replaced by
> > > ext2linux as well, if that
On Wed, Apr 08, 2009 at 11:21:12AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> Does this mean that you will become lilo upstream as well? Are you
> *qualified* to become lilo upstream? Do you know assembly language?
> (tip: most of the important parts are assembly language.)
> If not, then stop talking now. A
Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
>> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
>> without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
>> reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing.
>
> Err, did you re-run i
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 12:41 -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> No this means I take over the package try to cou ntact upstream etc
^^
THERE IS NO UPSTREAM ANYMORE. If you're not willing to become upstream
and wish to take it over, then we gai
> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
> without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
> reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing.
Err, did you re-run install-grub?
Samuel
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No this means I take over the package try to cou ntact upstream etc
and fyi i do know Intel X86 ASM (not well) but i learn fast as you
know. I just think a "This package is deprecated and may be removed at
any time" clause in the package desc is the best way to go here that
way the people who use i
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 16:22 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Nenolod: sorry for the other mail.
>
> William Pitcock wrote:
> > On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> >> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
> >> wrote:
> >>> Lilo upstream is dead (no release in
On Wed, 2009-04-08 at 11:05 -0400, Matt Arnold wrote:
> As the silent co-maintainer of lilo I believe I should now voice my
> thoughts on this
>
> I too believe that lilo should belive that lilo should be remove *at
> some point* but now is not the time. So I restate my willingness to
> take over
As the silent co-maintainer of lilo I believe I should now voice my
thoughts on this
I too believe that lilo should belive that lilo should be remove *at
some point* but now is not the time. So I restate my willingness to
take over fully publicly. Upstream made a release of a bootloader in
2007 a
On Wed, Apr 8, 2009 at 10:22 PM, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> as grub was not really maintained. Also grub2 doesn't seems so fast in
> development.
> I think these kind of project have difficult to maintain motivated
> maintainer.
I would really love to own a computer that used coreboot, Linux a
Nenolod: sorry for the other mail.
William Pitcock wrote:
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
wrote:
Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
maintainer has also been seen as saying in various maili
On Tue, 07 Apr 2009, Darren Salt wrote:
> For me, lilo works fine as it is. If I see something which affects me, I'll
> at least have a look at it; no guarantees, though, since there's a lot of
> stuff here with which I'm not familiar.
>From memory, lilo doesn't support partitioned md arrays. Sin
I demand that William Pitcock may or may not have written...
[snip]
> So at this point, our only option seems to be taking over upstream lilo
> maintainance ourselves (which could be a good thing in some ways, I am
> not denying that),
I say go for it...
> or find a way to transition these use-c
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009 10:24:54 -0500
William Pitcock wrote:
> On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 16:17 +0200, Harald Braumann wrote:
> > Yes, I do and it works without problems. There are some
> > inconveniences, though, with grub2, which might make some stick
> > with LILO:
>
> The LVM support in LILO is hide
William Pitcock (07/04/2009):
> Alternatively, we can just leave it and let it become another XMMS. I
> don't like this solution very much.
Beware, gtk3 is coming, so you'd better update lilo to no longer depend
on gtk2!
Mraw,
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On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 13:06 -0300, Otavio Salvador wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
> wrote:
> > Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
> > maintainer has also been seen as saying in various mailing lists etc,
> > that since Debian patches lilo th
On Tue, Apr 07, 2009 at 07:36:40AM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:10:25PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:42:42AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +
On Tue, 2009-04-07 at 10:52 +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Stephen Gran wrote:
> > This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
> >> The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
> >> patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
> >
> > Why is this?
>
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 9:21 PM, William Pitcock
wrote:
> Lilo upstream is dead (no release in quite a while), but the lilo
> maintainer has also been seen as saying in various mailing lists etc,
> that since Debian patches lilo that he has no interest in helping to fix
> problems in our version.
On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:10:25PM +0200, Iustin Pop wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 11:42:42AM -0500, William Pitcock wrote:
> > On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:19 +0200, Vincent Zweije wrote:
> > > On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 06:06:38PM +0200, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > >
> > > || On Mon, Apr 06, 2009 at 08:
On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 22:20 +0100, Stephen Gran wrote:
> This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
> > The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
> > patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
>
> Why is this?
See my other mail, basically, lilo ups
Harald Braumann wrote:
> * configuration of grub2 is really a PITA
>
> You can't specify boot options per entry (there's only a global option
> in /etc/default grub, that applies to all entries).
You may want to check bug 470398. The patch is probably outdated by now, though.
Requiring bug/patch
* Frans Pop [2009-04-07 02:54]:
> Martin Wuertele wrote:
> > Actually lilo is installed by lenny d-i if you use root-sw-raid with
> > LVM, even if your /boot is an differen partition/sw-raid. Therefore lilo
> > should at least remain for sqeeze to ensure a proper upgrade path.
>
> I'm afraid you
Stephen Gran wrote:
This one time, at band camp, William Pitcock said:
The only way it is feasible to do so is to drop all of the Debian
patches. Without this, upstream is not cooperative with us.
Why is this?
I think because of William Pitcock with:
- his very strong words,
- his attitude:
]] William Pitcock
| Have you looked into ext2linux? It is intended to supercede lilo. I
| think your usage requirements will be satisfied by it.
It does not appear to exist in Debian?
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On Mon, 2009-04-06 at 18:46 +0200, Christian Perrier wrote:
> Quoting Frans Pop (elen...@planet.nl):
>
> > I'm not sure where the original mail comes from, but IMO this should be
>
> From lilo package BTS which I was tracking for l10n purposes. So I
> just happened to notice William's answer to
On Mon, 06 Apr 2009, Matthew Johnson wrote:
> On Mon Apr 06 11:07, Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
> > So lets get grub2 working everywhere. :) A worthy goal.
> Sure, but don't remove lilo until we're happy that grub2 does work
> everywhere.
And that we have something resembling acceptable, up-to-date
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