Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 12:09:16PM -0500, Peter Samuelson a écrit : > > > - If mentors.debian.org can distribute unreviewed packages by becomming a > > DMCA safe harbor, wouldn't it be possible for > > ftp-master.debian.org/NEW.html ? > > The difference is that one is open to the public an

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Peter Samuelson
[Charles Plessy] > - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would > mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not exempt, but it's also not Debian's problem. > - If mentors.debian.org can distribute unreviewed packages by becomming a > DMCA safe harbor, wouldn't it be po

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Ben Hutchings
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 03:37:39PM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > > The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal > > > document, > > > vetted by SF

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 10:51:39PM +0900, Charles Plessy wrote: > - If mentors.debian.org needs to follow the DMCA, why would > mentors.debian.net be exempt of it ? It's not, but Debian is not hosting mentors, the .net domain is a forwarding service of sorts, so to take on the responsibilit

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:36:03AM +0200, Nicolas Dandrimont a écrit : > > For mentors.debian.net, there are two main blockers for a .org transition: > - Seeking an answer to this redistribution without verification problem > - Making the codebase acceptable for DSA administration > > The first

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal > > document, > > vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a "DMCA safe > > harbor". > > Doe

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Jonathan Dowland > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > > The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal > > > document, > > > vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 07:11:13PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > > The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal > > document, > > vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a "DMCA safe > > harbor". > > Do

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/10/2013 05:36 PM, Nicolas Dandrimont wrote: > The first point has been handled by zack, and we have on hand a legal > document, > vetted by SFLC lawyers, that makes the mentors platform a "DMCA safe harbor". Does it mean that it is mandatory that mentors is hosted in USA? Thomas -- To UN

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Nicolas Dandrimont
* Joachim Breitner [2013-04-10 10:13:25 +0200]: > Hi, > > Am Dienstag, den 09.04.2013, 17:54 +0200 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: > > > Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review > > > a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the > > > FTP assistants. > > > > That would i

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, Am Dienstag, den 09.04.2013, 17:54 +0200 schrieb Bernd Zeimetz: > > Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review > > a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the > > FTP assistants. > > That would include publishing the contents of the NEW queue, > at least to all

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-10 Thread Wouter Verhelst
Hi Charles, On 10-04-13 00:56, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : >> >>> Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review >>> a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the >>> FTP assistants. >> >> That would include pu

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-09 Thread Joey Hess
Charles Plessy wrote: > Conversely, the existence of sites such as Ubuntu's PPA, SourceForge, GitHub > and many others show that a large number of software providers are confident > that a policy of a posteriori removals is sufficient. I do not understand why > we do not reach the same conclusion

Re: Legal possibility of more open package reviews.

2013-04-09 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 04/10/2013 06:56 AM, Charles Plessy wrote: > Le Tue, Apr 09, 2013 at 05:54:14PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz a écrit : >>> Suggestion #3: have a system where any other DD can review >>> a package in the NEW queue, not only the FTP masters or the >>> FTP assistants. >> That would include publishing the c