Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-17 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Am Montag 16 Oktober 2006 11:34 schrieb Frank Küster: >> Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of >> >> network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? >> > >>

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-16 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Montag 16 Oktober 2006 11:34 schrieb Frank Küster: > Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of > >> network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? > > > > Good question. The concept for a cli like this wou

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-16 Thread Frank Küster
Hendrik Sattler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of >> network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? > > Good question. The concept for a cli like this would need many thoughts, > though. A GUI makes that a bit easier

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-14 Thread Jean-Philippe Garcia Ballester
On Friday 13 October 2006 17:18, John Goerzen wrote: > Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of > network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? It is > quite possible to use mutt, ssh, and ftp on a laptop. And it's > frustrating to know that my network

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Sat, Oct 14, 2006 at 01:32:42AM +0200, Hendrik Sattler wrote: > > /etc/fstab: if something is marked "user", then a user can mount it. > > You can also look at the permissions of the entry in /dev to see if a > > user can access it directly. > > That is still the case > > > Now, apparently, if

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread John Goerzen
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:57:37PM +0200, Henning Glawe wrote: > On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:18:01AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > > But worse -- what if you're not using Gnome or KDE? I can find no way > > for a user that doesn't use any X applications to take advantage of this > > automatic suppor

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Friday 13 October 2006 17:18, John Goerzen wrote: > Even worse, you again have to use KDE or Gnome to take advantage of > network-manager. Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? It is > quite possible to use mutt, ssh, and ftp on a laptop. And it's > frustrating to know that my ne

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Hendrik Sattler
Am Freitag 13 Oktober 2006 17:18 schrieb John Goerzen: > This has been bugging me for some time now, and I'd like to see if we > can improve the situation. > > The main problem is that it's not clear how all this media > autodection/automounting works. It's not clear how to enable it, it's > not c

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le vendredi 13 octobre 2006 à 10:18 -0500, John Goerzen a écrit : > But worse -- what if you're not using Gnome or KDE? I can find no way > for a user that doesn't use any X applications to take advantage of this > automatic support, even if the user is in the plugdev group. I can't > even find a

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Henning Glawe
On Fri, Oct 13, 2006 at 10:18:01AM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > But worse -- what if you're not using Gnome or KDE? I can find no way > for a user that doesn't use any X applications to take advantage of this > automatic support, even if the user is in the plugdev group. I can't > even find a way

Re: Lack of transparency of automatic actions

2006-10-13 Thread Warren Turkal
On Friday 13 October 2006 09:18, John Goerzen wrote: >  Why are we leaving CLI users out in the cold? I would guess that no one has developed the requisite components for a CLI interface. This is clearly something that no developers (Debian or otherwise) have picked up as an important or fun pro