Hey ...
I only realized after sending this that I was responding to a three
week's old mail. Given that the thread was already painful for all
involved parties, please accept my appologize for that. My intention
wasn't (and isn't) to revive it.
My bad,
Rhonda
* Rhonda D'Vine [2018-12-
Hey.
* Mattia Rizzolo [2018-11-12 12:32:17 CET]:
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Chris Lamb wrote:
> > I would be surprised if there were no topics or issues for you
> > (including outside of the free software world) where reacting in a
> > ungentlemanly manner is likely given som
A Debian contributor tells me in private conversation that they
encountered this ex-Developer in real life, and that during that
conversation they told this ex-Developer they disapproved of the
ex-Developer's messages in this thread.
DO NOT DO THIS. Do not raise these issues with this ex-Develope
On 2018-11-12 19:47 +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> (I also wonder if we should just require people to opt in to their
> DD-ship on a yearly basis instead of doing most of the WAT/MIA dance. If
> people can't be bothered to reply to a single email saying «yup, another
> year please» with some reas
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 07:47:41PM +0100, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>
> (I also wonder if we should just require people to opt in to their
> DD-ship on a yearly basis instead of doing most of the WAT/MIA dance. If
> people can't be bothered to reply to a single email saying «yup, another
> year pleas
]] Vincent Bernat
> ❦ 11 novembre 2018 19:20 +0100, Wouter Verhelst :
>
> > Meanwhile, it makes sense to be courteous to people who were a DD once
> > but really couldn't care less now and want to get rid of the nagging,
> > which seems like a far more likely scenario.
>
> Then, they should cl
Russ Allbery writes ("Re: I resigned in 2004"):
> "Never contact me again" is what one is supposed to tell someone if they
> feel like they're being harassed. It's the sort of thing that I do think
> we want to try to honor unless we have some reasonable r
On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 09:29:29PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> > Leave me alone. Your project left me long ago. Do not contact me with
> > regard to Debian bullshit.
>
> ACK, we will have DAM remove you instead of retire. I suppose there is
> no harm as you don't seem interested in the "bene
Chris Lamb wrote:
> [replying directly]
Or not! Enjoy our sub-conversation, -devel. :)
Best wishes,
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[replying directly]
Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> […] for some reason always involving some German DD, even worse if
> there are multiple ones […]
https://i.imgur.com/PoWwX7m.png
Best wishes,
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On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 01:46:34PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> It's social people who put nice forms of speech above actual merit, and
> I'm for one anything but social. What I want is for lists to be kept in a
> good shape, a job that you're doing superbly. You have (almost certainly
> unconsc
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 7:46 AM Adam Borowski wrote:
> It's social people who put nice forms of speech above actual merit, and
> I'm for one anything but social.
It sounds to me like you're implying that niceness does not have
actual merit in itself. I think that opinion goes against the spirit
o
On Mon, Nov 12, 2018 at 09:23:49AM +0100, Alexander Wirt wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Adam Borowski wrote:
> > So I hope you'll grit your teeth and keep going. You may end up as grumpy
> > as formorer -- but, notably, he still hasn't stopped his thankless unpaid
> > work. Yes, every time you con
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 02:56:14PM -0500, Chris Lamb wrote:
> I would be surprised if there were no topics or issues for you
> (including outside of the free software world) where reacting in a
> ungentlemanly manner is likely given some history or context.
I naturally had my own cases of "ungentl
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 10:41:41PM +0100, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 07:50:55PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > I know you have good intention in trying to improve the MIA process, but
> > I think[*] this sends the wrong message to the current volunteers: you
> > can act as pro
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 12:54:10PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:07:36PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> > Mattia Rizzolo writes:
> > > On the other hand, most of my reply to willy's mail was not addressed to
> > > him, but to debian-devel@ at large, […]
> >
> > The gene
On Sun, 11 Nov 2018, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 07:50:55PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> > Then, they should click on the button they are asked to click. This
> > takes far less time than a long (and discourteous) rant.
>
> Yeah... you walk out without a word, and are upset i
Carsten Leonhardt writes:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>> The general principle that I would advocate for here, though, is that
>> if someone says clearly and explicitly "never contact me again," we
>> should do what we can to never contact them again.
> If the message would be signed I'd agree, but
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 07:50:55PM +0100, Vincent Bernat wrote:
> Then, they should click on the button they are asked to click. This
> takes far less time than a long (and discourteous) rant.
Yeah... you walk out without a word, and are upset if people still care
about you? MW acted like an ass
Dear Mattia,
> My reply indeed had quite a grumpy tone, and I realized only after
> sending it, of course. I need to get into the habit of asking somebody
> else to review my emails when they treat such matters.
Thank you for not only pausing for this self-reflection but for
subsequently sharing
> I don't think that you can claim that the act of sending a mail to a
> list @lists.debian.org can constitute an implied agreement to accept and
> abide by the code of conduct. That is no different than "by reading
> this, you are bound by these terms." No reasonable person would
> consider eith
❦ 11 novembre 2018 19:20 +0100, Wouter Verhelst :
> Meanwhile, it makes sense to be courteous to people who were a DD once
> but really couldn't care less now and want to get rid of the nagging,
> which seems like a far more likely scenario.
Then, they should click on the button they are asked t
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 06:31:35PM +0100, Carsten Leonhardt wrote:
> Russ Allbery writes:
>
> > The general principle that I would advocate for here, though, is that if
> > someone says clearly and explicitly "never contact me again," we should do
> > what we can to never contact them again.
>
>
On Sun, Nov 11, 2018 at 03:38:32PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
> > > he agreed with the CoC,
> >
> > He did not, the CoC didn't exist yet 14 years ago.
>
> He did, if not before, when he sent his mail to a mailing list
> @lists.debian.org.
>
> He might not have realised that, of course.
>
I do
Russ Allbery writes:
> The general principle that I would advocate for here, though, is that if
> someone says clearly and explicitly "never contact me again," we should do
> what we can to never contact them again.
If the message would be signed I'd agree, but for a non-signed message
that woul
> > he agreed with the CoC,
>
> He did not, the CoC didn't exist yet 14 years ago.
He did, if not before, when he sent his mail to a mailing list
@lists.debian.org.
He might not have realised that, of course.
-nik
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On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 03:49:32PM +0100, Dominik George wrote:
> I am thus very happy that this DD is leaving immediately - whether you see
> this as bureaucracy or not, he agreed with rules and processes when he
> joined,
There were *far* fewer of them when he did. In 2000, you didn't need an
ad
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 07:07:36PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote:
> Mattia Rizzolo writes:
>
> > Indeed, I was very bothered.
>
> > On the other hand, most of my reply to willy's mail was not addressed to
> > him, but to debian-devel@ at large, to have everybody else understand
> > how silly what he
Mattia Rizzolo writes:
> Indeed, I was very bothered.
> On the other hand, most of my reply to willy's mail was not addressed to
> him, but to debian-devel@ at large, to have everybody else understand
> how silly what he did was. Replying to my email in d-private@ saying
> "aye aye, I really wa
Dear Mattia,
Thanks for your work in the Debian MIA team.
For the Debian Anti Harassment team,
--
Laura Arjona Reina
https://wiki.debian.org/LauraArjona
On Sat, 2018-11-10 at 15:31 +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:01:12AM +, Ian Campbell wrote:
> > I couldn't disagree more. I found it (and very nearly replied to this
> > affect) to be exactly as Willy characterised it ("full of self-
> > justifications" etc) and can ent
Greetings Fellow Debianites,
On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 09:29:30PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 10:56:57AM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
For some reason, Debian as a project failed to notice that I had quit,
Probably because even at that time there were procedures tha
On 2018-11-10 15:31:31, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> Also, indeed I'm not an HRM person, […]
And especially because of that, thank you very much for your work.
> I don't feel any "guilt" here, sorry.
And neither should you.
thanks,
iustin
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Hi,
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 6:32 AM Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
> It was not my choice to have him spammed by his friends, that was his
> choice when he decided to ignore the emails he admitted to have ignored;
> he could have clicked that button and all he could have seen would have
> been a couple of
>But at the same time, I consider mine a very polite answer, without any
>particularly accusatory wording or anything like that, nor I consider
>any of what I wrote worthy of being replied with:
>Fuck you. Do not contact me again. I shall consider
>any further contact (from you or anyone else
On Sat, Nov 10, 2018 at 11:01:12AM +, Ian Campbell wrote:
> I couldn't disagree more. I found it (and very nearly replied to this
> affect) to be exactly as Willy characterised it ("full of self-
> justifications" etc) and can entirely understand why, under the
> circumstances, he should have b
Quoting Ian Campbell (2018-11-10 12:01:12)
> On Sat, 2018-11-10 at 11:25 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> > Quoting Mattia Rizzolo (2018-11-09 21:29:30)
> > [a range of fine details snipped]
> > > Good bye, and thank you for your contributions you made back then!
> >
> > Thank you, Mattia. I foun
On Sat, 2018-11-10 at 11:25 +0100, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
> Quoting Mattia Rizzolo (2018-11-09 21:29:30)
> [a range of fine details snipped]
> > Good bye, and thank you for your contributions you made back then!
>
> Thank you, Mattia. I found above to be a decent and polite post when I
> read i
* Jonas Smedegaard: " Re: I resigned in 2004" (Sat, 10 Nov 2018 11:25:42 +0100):
> Quoting Mattia Rizzolo (2018-11-09 21:29:30)
> [a range of fine details snipped]
> > Good bye, and thank you for your contributions you made back then!
>
> Thank you, Mattia. I fo
Quoting Mattia Rizzolo (2018-11-09 21:29:30)
[a range of fine details snipped]
> Good bye, and thank you for your contributions you made back then!
Thank you, Mattia. I found above to be a decent and polite post when I
read it yesterday.
Today after reading that other response I felt the need t
On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 09:29:30PM +0100, Mattia Rizzolo wrote:
I would like to start by highlighting one very important line from my
last email to you:
> > Do not contact me with regard to Debian bullshit.
And yet, you did. Fuck you. Do not contact me again. I shall consider
any further cont
Hi,
On Fri, Nov 09, 2018 at 10:56:57AM -0800, Matthew Wilcox wrote:
> For some reason, Debian as a project failed to notice that I had quit,
Probably because even at that time there were procedures that weren't
followed, and apparently nobody after then bothered to check your status
*and* follow
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