[Roger Leigh]
> In the case of someone who attaches a patch to a bug report, I think
> getting a mention in the Debian (or upstream) ChangeLog is
> sufficient.
Indeed, back in the days when reporting a bug and attaching a patch was
all I was willing to spend time doing, I thought a mention in the
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 07:41:38PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote:
> Anthony Towns:
> > Anyway, the real point of replying was for me to have some fun playing
> > (what I'll hereby dub) the false dichotomy game. That's where you take
> > a set of contradictory statements, and setup reasonable scenarios w
Scripsit Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> People who do not want to undergo that process can just help
> out current developers, fix bugs, send patches, etc.
Why are you then disagreeing with Andreas when he said that we should
make the possibility of doing this more visible?
> I
Anthony Towns:
> Anyway, the real point of replying was for me to have some fun playing
> (what I'll hereby dub) the false dichotomy game. That's where you take
> a set of contradictory statements, and setup reasonable scenarios where,
> in fact, both alternatives are true simultaneously.
I'd call
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:20:07PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote:
> You seem to be assuming that Debian should encourage people to contribute,
> whereas the NM process was deliberately set up to discourage applicants.
> You assume that applicants are scarce, but the assumption behind NM is that
> there
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Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:39:55 +0100, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>> Please realize that there is a difference between people who want to
>> *contribute* above average and *people* below aver
On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 11:39:55 +0100, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-03 22:30:09]:
>> >> They are right: most probably they will find it easier to make
>> >> contributions to other projects.
>>
>> > we need to promote the easy entry poin
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Hi Andreas!
On 1/4/06, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Please realize that there is a difference between people who want
> to *contribute* above average and *people* below average.
While I agree that there are contributions that are eit
On Wed, Jan 04, 2006 at 12:20:07PM +0100, Thomas Hood wrote:
> Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > we need to promote the easy entry points to contributing to debian
> > more prominently and should hide the "how to become a DD" in
> > comparison.
>
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > What on earth for?
>
> And
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> we need to promote the easy entry points to contributing to debian
> more prominently and should hide the "how to become a DD" in
> comparison.
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> What on earth for?
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> [...] people who want to help/contribute seem to be
> tu
* Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-03 22:30:09]:
> >> They are right: most probably they will find it easier to make
> >> contributions to other projects.
>
> > we need to promote the easy entry points to contributing to debian
> > more prominently and should hide the "how to become a
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 12:50:22 +0100, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> * Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-03 12:24:29]:
>> They are right: most probably they will find it easier to make
>> contributions to other projects.
> we need to promote the easy entry points to contributin
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Hi Andreas!
On 1/3/06, Andreas Schuldei <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> * Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-03 12:24:29]:
> > They are right: most probably they will find it easier to make
> > contributions to other projects.
>
> we need to promot
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> we need to promote the easy entry points to contributing to debian more
> prominently
> and should hide the "how to become a DD" in comparison. we should leave that
> option
> for the ones that want to contribute above average.
If there is any truth to what Joseph Mich
On Tue, 03 Jan 2006, Andrew Vaughan wrote:
> Whats needed is a genuine team of 2-5 suitable new maintainer 'peers'
[...]
You just described how Alioth-based team maintainership works when it
involves people who aren't DDs, which it often does AFAIK.
--
"One disk to rule them all, One disk to
* Thomas Hood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-03 12:24:29]:
> They are right: most probably they will find it easier to make contributions
> to other
> projects.
we need to promote the easy entry points to contributing to
debian more prominently and should hide the "how to become a DD"
in comparison
Joseph Michael Smidt wrote:
> I believe the greatest barrier the Debian Project has in preventing
> widespread
> contributions from greater numbers of volunteers is a psychological barrier.
> I have
> personally introduced Debian to several of my friends and always emphasize
> the idea
>
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:29:30PM +0800, Enrico Zini wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 02:53:52PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> > A hypothetical example: I decide to found a debian-geology team and I am
> > not a Debian Developer. So what now? Should I help debian-med to become
> > a DD? But I
On Tue, 3 Jan 2006 11:52, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Given the choice between having to double check work done by
> potentially inexperienced folks, and ensuring that the package is
> done by people who can do some of the double checking on their own,
> and make less errors, I'd go for th
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 23:59:41 +0100, Moritz Muehlenhoff <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>>> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility
>>> and commitment from a large set of users.
>>
>> Lacking quality control of the input, I am not at all convinced
>> tha
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility and
>> commitment from a large set of users.
>
> Lacking quality control of the input, I am not at all
> convinced that this is desirable. You know the "old adage of computer
> men", GIGO.
All the
[Neil McGovern]
> Sounds like an idea that's being thrown around at the moment:
> http://wiki.debian.org/FriendsOfDebian
Ah, right. Very good idea indeed. :)
That page even had a few more of those. Perhaps we should just go
ahead and implement it . :)
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On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 07:11:26PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
>
> Your ideas reminds me of the Mandriva Club system, where users can
[Snip]
Sounds like an idea that's being thrown around at the moment:
http://wiki.debian.org/FriendsOfDebian
:P
Neil
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On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 09:21:43 -0600, Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
>> On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
>> > so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
>> > perhaps from the startpage on
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 19:11:26 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
said:
> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility and
> commitment from a large set of users.
Lacking quality control of the input, I am not at all
convinced that this is desirable. You kn
Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
BTW, Who da hell is some AntiSpam UOL? Everytime that I send an email to
debian-devel that stupid machine sends me an email. Is there a way to block?
Yes, the [EMAIL PROTECTED] is back. You will just have to
block this address on your side until listmaster takes care
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 13:55:01 -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:34:31 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote
> > On Monday 02 January 2006 16.21, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
BTW, Who da hell is some AntiSpam UOL? Everytime that I send an email to
debian-devel that stupid machine sends me a
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 20:34:31 +0100, Adrian von Bidder wrote
> On Monday 02 January 2006 16.21, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> [...]
> > I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and
> > if the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a
> > pain. I once wa
On Monday 02 January 2006 16.21, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
[...]
> I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and
> if the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a
> pain. I once wanted to make a package for the ieee80211 stack or another
> small pac
Am Sonntag 01 Januar 2006 19:46 schrieb Joseph Michael Smidt:
> h) Advocacy I have given to the open source community.
Dear Joseph,
happy new year to you all. In this matter, I'd like to stress the
importance to gain the youth, i.e. pupils, for free software, i.e.
GNU/Linux. I plea to support a
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 07:11:26PM +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote:
> I suspect a similar system for Debian might increase visibility and
> commitment from a large set of users.
With the exception of the web forums and most of the commercial stuff
that does sound rather like debian.org.
--
"Yo
Andreas Fester <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> My impression is that the process of becoming a developer is very hard,
> both for the applicant but also for the Application Managers. If someone
> contributed to the project continously for a long time, then decides to
> apply for New Maintainer which
Your ideas reminds me of the Mandriva Club system, where users can
come together and show their commitment and involvement in Madriva
(previously Mandrake Linux). The site is supposed to be
http://club.mandriva.com/>, but I'm unable to get any response
from it. The google cache gave me this intr
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> package, but NO. I had to know someone, that the someone had a developer
> friend that would actually trust me, to ever be able to try posting something.
Supposedly, one post to debian-mentors should have gotten you started. I
guess the "How can you
Well I decided to grab the bull by the horns.
Margarita Manterola had this to say:
So, rounding it up, if you have ideas as to how to get more people to
help Debian, your best course of action is to _go do it_. Create a
wiki page, blog or get someone to blog about it on Planet, etc. No
one is g
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 11:22:00 -0500, Kevin B. McCarty wrote
> Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
>
> > I would love to help, but the fact is that people that know how to do
> > these things like they know the palm of their hands, don't share
> > information or actually show people how to do things.
>
> Ther
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 17:10:52 +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote
> * Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 09:21:43]:
>
> > On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
> > > On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > > > so should we try to compile such a list and ad
Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> I would love to help, but the fact is that people that know how to do
> these things like they know the palm of their hands, don't share
> information or actually show people how to do things.
There is plenty of documentation about how to get started in creating a
Debia
* Alejandro Bonilla <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 09:21:43]:
> On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
> > On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > > so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
> > > perhaps from the startpage on www.debian.or
Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote
>> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 09:21:43AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
>> > I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and
>> > if
>> > the mentoring process to get ownership of one
On Mon, 2 Jan 2006 16:28:06 +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 09:21:43AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> > I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and if
> > the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a pain. I
> > onc
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 09:21:43AM -0600, Alejandro Bonilla wrote:
> I could support or maintain some packages if I could be teached once, and if
> the mentoring process to get ownership of one package wouldn't be a pain. I
> once wanted to make a package for the ieee80211 stack or another small
>
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 16:06:59 +0100, Frans Pop wrote
> On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> > so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
> > perhaps from the startpage on www.debian.org?
>
> http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ seems more suited for that.
>
On Monday 02 January 2006 15:42, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> so should we try to compile such a list and advertise it better,
> perhaps from the startpage on www.debian.org?
http://www.debian.org/devel/join/ seems more suited for that.
That whole page could maybe be organized a bit better by separa
On Mon, 02 Jan 2006, Alexander Schmehl wrote:
> * Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060102 10:21]:
> > (No, I don't really think titles will attract most of the productive
> > kind contributors to Debian. Sorry.)
>
> Being one of those who contributed a lot, I disagree a bit. I would
> say, that
* Enrico Zini <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 22:26:46]:
> On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:02:34AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
>
> > there are parts that provide a much easier and smoother entry to
> > helping debian. The debian-installer, the inofficial security
> > team and debian-edu for example
Hi!
* Lars Wirzenius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [060102 10:21]:
> (No, I don't really think titles will attract most of the productive
> kind contributors to Debian. Sorry.)
Being one of those who contributed a lot, I disagree a bit. I would
say, that having a title would be a "nice to have": You cou
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 02:53:52PM +0200, Linas Zvirblis wrote:
> A hypothetical example: I decide to found a debian-geology team and I am
> not a Debian Developer. So what now? Should I help debian-med to become
> a DD? But I am not interested in medicine, I am interested in geology.
1) Open
On Mon, Jan 02, 2006 at 10:02:34AM +0100, Andreas Schuldei wrote:
> there are parts that provide a much easier and smoother entry to
> helping debian. The debian-installer, the inofficial security
> team and debian-edu for example are groups that allow even
> non-Debian-Developers to get their han
Hi Margarita! :-)
On 1/2/06, Margarita Manterola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You suggest that people keep track of their contributions, everybody
> can do that in their personal wiki page (yes, that's what Ubuntu does,
> I don't know if it works or not). You could encourage people to do
> that.
On 1/1/06, Joseph Michael Smidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 1.)All people psychologically want to feel important and that they are an
> official
> part of an organization. I feel there should be an official title for all
> contributers
> so they feel like they are part of the community, not ju
Andreas Schuldei wrote:
there are parts that provide a much easier and smoother entry to
helping debian. The debian-installer, the inofficial security
team and debian-edu for example are groups that allow even
non-Debian-Developers to get their hands dirty and do real
(important, relevant) work
Op ma, 02-01-2006 te 11:24 +0100, schreef Andreas Fester:
> > (No, I don't really think titles will attract most of the productive
> > kind contributors to Debian. Sorry.)
>
> I agree that "title" might not be appropriate. Thats why I primarily
> talked about "stages" (maybe there is a better word
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> I find your title unambitious and suggest improvements.
>
>
>>- - Having at least one package in the archive: "Debian Maintainer"
>
>
> "Debian Vice President for Packaging Foo"
which could be subdivided into "Junior Vice President" (aka
co-main
ma, 2006-01-02 kello 09:03 +0100, Andreas Fester kirjoitti:
> You are already a Maintainer as soon as you have a package
> in the archive. Speaking of an "official title" as you suggested,
> maybe something like the following stages could be reasonable:
I find your title unambitious and suggest im
* Linas Zvirblis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2006-01-02 01:43:47]:
> There are a lot of people out there that are willing to help Debian, but
> "Help Debian" does look a bit like a horror detective story.
>
> I like the idea of an official title for contributers, but I am not so
> keen on I-did-this-a
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Joseph,
I had similar thoughts recently, so I enjoyed your mail.
Just some short comments:
Some of the things you mentioned are already
available, even if you are not an official developer.
For example,
- - your packages are listed at http://qa.debia
There are a lot of people out there that are willing to help Debian, but
"Help Debian" does look a bit like a horror detective story.
I like the idea of an official title for contributers, but I am not so
keen on I-did-this-and-that counters. You can count bug reports, posts
made on the mailin
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