I read the mail but I'm not active
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My account is indeed inactive, you can remove it.
Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
Introduction
We are currently reviewing the debian.org account database and
checking a list of developer accounts that *appear* to be inactive. The
purpose of this review is simply to minimise the number of
On Wed, May 23, 2007 at 11:09:53AM +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> Hi DAMs,
> I'm wondering what actually happened with this, so flow of questions
> follows :)
Hi DAMs, ping again on this.
Can we have some numbers about at least how many mails have been sent in
the first WaT run, if any? Al
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:34:39AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to get
> the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian Account
> Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2] runs.
>
> Selection of the people included i
Hi,
I think this message is likely to lead to a mostly useless
flurry of messages, but then we have not had a mostly useless heated
discussion on this topic in a few months.
On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 13:18:25 +0100, Marc Haber
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:28:06 -0600,
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:28:06 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I can see you have never actually packaged a .deb without
> using dpkg and debhelper and debian specific programs. When I did
> this on a red hat box, I found the activity a great deal of fun, as
> well as bei
On Fri, Feb 16, 2007 at 11:41:23AM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> Hi,
> On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:10:44 +0100, gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:22:08 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> >> But Manoj says the 'maintainer ping' was tried and was not
> >> liked. So I gues
Hi,
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 14:10:44 +0100, gregor herrmann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:22:08 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
>> But Manoj says the 'maintainer ping' was tried and was not
>> liked. So I guess some other method need to be found.
> Just out of curiosity: What exactly w
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 23:22:08 -0500, Kevin Mark wrote:
> But Manoj says the 'maintainer ping' was tried and was
> not liked. So I guess some other method need to be found.
Just out of curiosity: What exactly was this "maintainer ping" and
why was it disliked?
gregor
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On Thu, Feb 15, 2007 at 06:36:33PM +0100, Amaya wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > So what is your oh-so-elegant solution to the MIA account problem?
>
> Humans problems have no technical solution.
As I understand it, the 'MIA account problem' is not about finding a
solution to the 'humans pro
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 19:12:05 +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 11:50 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:11:30 +0100, Josselin Mouette
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>>
>> > It's because he didn't pass NM with you as AM. By repac
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:36:33 +0100, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> So what is your oh-so-elegant solution to the MIA account problem?
> Humans problems have no technical solution.
While that is true, I don't think it is totally applicable
here. The probl
Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 11:50 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:11:30 +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> said:
>
> > It's because he didn't pass NM with you as AM. By repackaging stuff
> > without debhelper, he would have learned how "fun" Debian can be.
>
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 18:11:30 +0100, Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 11:01 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
>> So what is your oh-so-elegant solution to the MIA account problem?
>> Or do you just specialize in bad-mouthing any solution other people
>> come
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> So what is your oh-so-elegant solution to the MIA account problem?
Humans problems have no technical solution.
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Le jeudi 15 février 2007 à 11:01 -0600, Manoj Srivastava a écrit :
> So what is your oh-so-elegant solution to the MIA account
> problem? Or do you just specialize in bad-mouthing any solution
> other people come up with? I have looked at the last doze or so posts
> you've made to the l
On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 22:38:35 +0100, Marc Haber <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:35:27 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I mean, getting ones status reverted is an inconvenience, but
>> surely an active DD should not be afraid of passing something we
>> ask
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 18:57:12 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I applaud the effort by the DAM's to gather the required
> information on their own, taking the burden of writing whatever code
> that needs be written, as opposed to asking the MIA folks to add
> code/process
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:35:27 -0600, Manoj Srivastava
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I mean, getting ones
> status reverted is an inconvenience, but surely an active DD should
> not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer?
I would surely love to be required to do pointless exerci
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 05:22:47PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:33:40 +0100, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> > Are you familiar with the MIA Team work? How is this work
> > insufficient that this extra check needs to be implemented? Have you
> > tought of a way to int
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 10:45:53 +0100, Steffen Moeller
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Our society should be aware that people age. And it should find a
> way to live with the elderly, not expell them. This is why I
> strongly object the technically well-meant following paragraph:
If this is i
On Monday 12 February 2007 16:31, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> While I think it's a good idea to consider whether people voted or did
> not vote for the DPL election a data point for MIA-ness, I feel that
> the lack of producing a vote should not be taken as inactivity.
I agree. And the converse is al
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:04:24AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
>> > a DD not interested in Debian "politics" has no need to be a DD. If
>> > it's just a matter of technical work then sponsorship would be
>> > enough.
>> Do I understand you right, that, according to you
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 10:59:53PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > > an active DD should
> > > not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer?
> >
> > On
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> I'm sorry, but I don't know how do you relate with my analysis. Do you
> usually vote for the DPL elections or GRs? If not then yes, I feel you
> don't need a key (but see below). Of course this do not imply you should
> ask for the removal: there's a deficiency in our b
On Monday 12 February 2007 13:35:21 you wrote:
> On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Steffen Moeller wrote:
> > While at the moment that I have just passed Tasks&Skills II, I consider
> > this to be possible but rather unlikely szenario. However, I presume that
> > in about 20-30 years from now when I got older t
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007, Steffen Moeller wrote:
> While at the moment that I have just passed Tasks&Skills II, I consider this
> to be possible but rather unlikely szenario. However, I presume that in about
> 20-30 years from now when I got older this may well be true. What do we have
> then - quant
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 11:04:24AM +0100, Daniel Baumann wrote:
> > a DD not interested in Debian "politics" has no need to be a DD. If
> > it's just a matter of technical work then sponsorship would be
> > enough.
> Do I understand you right, that, according to your opinion, people like
> me shoul
Hi mate
> > As far as I can see right now there are plenty of people listed
> > there with no packages and they can be the targets for the first
> > run.
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]:/org/qa.debian.org/mia$ ./mia-todo needs-wat
> 0 maintainers in possible need of needs-wat
Try it again please, the mia db
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> a DD not interested in
> Debian "politics" has no need to be a DD. If it's just a matter of
> technical work then sponsorship would be enough.
Do I understand you right, that, according to your opinion, people like
me should ask the DAM to remove their key?
I'm not say
On Monday 12 February 2007 01:58:19 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Mike Hommey wrote:
> > A probable reason is that the NM process is getting tougher and/or that
> > some developpers didn't even pass an NM process...
While at the moment that I have just passed Tasks&Skil
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 02:53:25PM +1100, Steffen Joeris wrote:
> Why not just logging in to merkel and using "mia-todo needs-wat" ?
> As far as I can see right now there are plenty of people listed
> there with no packages and they can be the targets for the first
> run.
[EMAIL PROTECTED]:/org/
On lun, 2007-02-12 at 08:05 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> The difference between a DD and a non-DD is mainly about voting, so if
> a
> DD doesn't have interest in politics, he could just do like a lot of
> non-DD people: have a sponsor.
When dealing with a large set of packages (read "Xfce"), it's
Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:47:48AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, you're perfectly right. That's the best advice one could give to
>> not so active DD who doesn't want to lose much time («"lose" the time to
>> vote so you don't "lose" the t
On Mon, Feb 12, 2007 at 07:47:48AM +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> Yeah, you're perfectly right. That's the best advice one could give to
> not so active DD who doesn't want to lose much time («"lose" the time to
> vote so you don't "lose" the time in NM»). But as someone sai
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:59 -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> > More than difficulty, I think *time* is the problem.
>
> Agreed, but anyone who cannot take the time to vote once an year
> really
> should be asking for his account to be locked for a while (i.e. a
> vacation)
> until he ha
Hi mates
> This is the part I'm unsure about. I think, as che recently
> mentioned, he has been missing for years. His packages were
> properly orphaned, but the account cleanup never happened.
>
> I am given the impression that the primary focus of the MIA
> process is taking c
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 03:35:27PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> ... I mean, getting ones
> status reverted is an inconvenience, but surely an active DD should
> not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer?
IIUC if A is the number of people expelled from Debian and if B
On 10928 March 1977, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Yes, it does. They need to fix their packages, or they get orphaned.
> When no packages are left, we talk to DAM.
No. You(Mia) didnt (in the past).
>> How many other MIA people are undiscovered by our current process?
> I'm sure there are plenty.
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:43:27 +0100, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> I think the difference is that the MIA process is too conservative,
> It starts off being polite, indeed. And patient. You never know the
> reason why a person is not so active anymore. Tbm gave a t
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> > an active DD should
> > not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer?
>
> On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:49 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> A probable reason is that the NM pro
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007, Mike Hommey wrote:
> A probable reason is that the NM process is getting tougher and/or that
> some developpers didn't even pass an NM process...
Then we are better off without them. I can understandy anyone trying to
avoid NM in the grounds that it is a hassle (as in they'd
On Mon, 12 Feb 2007 00:37:33 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On dim, 2007-02-11 at 17:18 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> A reduced NM process should be less time consuming than the full
>> one, no?
> Well, it depends on the steps which are removed from the NM process,
> an
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> I think the difference is that the MIA process is too
> conservative,
It starts off being polite, indeed. And patient. You never know the
reason why a person is not so active anymore. Tbm gave a talk about how
it is done and why it is done like that in Oslo, 2003
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 17:18 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> A reduced NM process should be less time consuming than the
> full one, no?
Well, it depends on the steps which are removed from the NM process, and
how this "reduced" process is made. I guess it should be less time
consuming, but I ca
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:39:46 +0100, Yves-Alexis Perez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
>> an active DD should not be afraid of passing something we ask of
>> every new developer?
> On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:49 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote: A proba
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 23:33:40 +0100, Amaya <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> Hi, there
> Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to
>> get the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian
>> Account Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2]
On Sunday 11 February 2007 14:22, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > I don't think using the single criteria such as DPL voting is a good,
> > approach.
>
> Now, explain where the problem in my approach is? The worst case that
> can happen to someone who does not vote is that he replies to one
> mail. Its no
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 15:35 -0600, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> an active DD should
> not be afraid of passing something we ask of every new developer?
On dim, 2007-02-11 at 22:49 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
A probable reason is that the NM process is getting tougher and/or that
> some developpers did
Hi, there
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> To reduce the security risk an unused open account has, and also to
> get the number of Developers to reflect the reality, we, the Debian
> Account Managers, decided to do regular "WaT"[2] runs.
Are you familiar with the MIA Team work? How is this work insufficien
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 03:35:27PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:42:47 -0500, Joe Smith
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I would hope that there would be a grace period after deactivation,
>
> I suggest you read the original mail before pa
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 15:42:47 -0500, Joe Smith
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I would hope that there would be a grace period after deactivation,
I suggest you read the original mail before participating in
the discussion.
> where a person who misses the WaT mail, and then later has his/h
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 12:12:54 -0700, Wesley J Landaker <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> On Sunday 11 February 2007 03:57, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> - miss the WaT mail. Even if you are on vacation for a long time, I
>> guess it wont be 3 weeks (vote) plus one or two months (WaT mail
>> timeout), and dont
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On 10927 March 1977, Mark Purcell wrote:
On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way
that we avoid sending out such mails to active pe
On Sunday 11 February 2007 03:57, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> - miss the WaT mail. Even if you are on vacation for a long time, I
> guess it wont be 3 weeks (vote) plus one or two months (WaT mail
> timeout), and dont you read your backlog when you come back?
What about if the WaT mail is rej
On 10927 March 1977, Mark Purcell wrote:
> On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way
>> that we avoid sending out such mails to active people. As a good start
>> we will take the upcoming DPL vote as an input so
On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:19:34PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> I totally agree. If I were forced to reduce my involvement in Debian, I
> would probably start by losing interest in "politics", since I could
> easily trust other, better-informed DD, to make better choices than I
> would do. That w
Jon Marler wrote:
> I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer status if I
> miss the vote?
A more relevant case are probably people, who don't care about the
annual time-drain aka DPL election.
Cheers,
Moritz
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On Sun, Feb 11, 2007 at 12:19:34PM +0100, Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 11/02/07 at 10:29 +, Mark Purcell wrote:
> > Whilst you might be able to vote without expressing an opinion,
> > we already have a documented MIA process.
> >
> > http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkgin
On 11/02/07 at 10:29 +, Mark Purcell wrote:
> Whilst you might be able to vote without expressing an opinion,
> we already have a documented MIA process.
>
> http://www.debian.org/doc/developers-reference/ch-beyond-pkging.en.html#s-mia-qa
>
> I don't think using the single criteria such as DP
On 10927 March 1977, Bart Martens wrote:
>> Three week vacation periods are not uncommon.
> Of course, and I'm sure everyone knows that. When I read the
> announcement again, then I see no reason to panic. :)
> http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2007/02/msg8.html
> An example, how
On Saturday 10 February 2007 01:34, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Selection of the people included in those runs will be done in a way
> that we avoid sending out such mails to active people. As a good start
> we will take the upcoming DPL vote as an input source, everyone who doesn't
> vote this year wil
On Sun, 2007-02-11 at 09:22 +0100, Mike Hommey wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:40:31PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL
> PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:56 -0600, Jon Marler
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> >
> > > I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer sta
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 09:40:31PM -0600, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:56 -0600, Jon Marler
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
>
> > I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer status if I
> > miss the vote? Is there a website I can log in to "r
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 18:54:56 -0600, Jon Marler
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said:
> I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer status if I
> miss the vote? Is there a website I can log in to "raise my hand"
> and keep from being booted out?
While this is a legitimate question, but
I have a question ... How do I keep my Debian maintainer status if I
miss the vote? Is there a website I can log in to "raise my hand" and
keep from being booted out?
Is there somewhere this is being debated where I can join the debate?
I frequently respond to bug reports, upload new releases,
Hi,
On Sat Feb 10, 2007 at 11:57:14 +0100, Pierre Habouzit wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:34:39AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > as Debian gets more and more accounts it is only natural that we have
> > more and more unused accounts. People get MIA, find different interests
> >
On Sat, Feb 10, 2007 at 02:34:39AM +0100, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Hi
>
> as Debian gets more and more accounts it is only natural that we have
> more and more unused accounts. People get MIA, find different interests
> or simply lost interest in Debian but did not follow the normal
> procedure of r
On 2007-02-10 Joerg Jaspert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> as Debian gets more and more accounts it is only natural that we have
> more and more unused accounts. People get MIA, find different interests
> or simply lost interest in Debian but did not follow the normal
> procedure of retiring.[1]
> T
Hi Joerg,
I know I've gone MIA for quite a long time (graduated from university
and got a full-time job). I don't know if I've gotten the WaT email
yet, but I'd be glad to keep my email forwarding as an emeritus
account.
Anyway, thanks for taking the time to clean up all the accounts, and
my ap
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