On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 6:16 AM, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 11:03 +0100, Darac Marjal a écrit :
>> Isn't the whole concept of "default desktop" just a matter of "which
>> desktop is included on CD1"? Are you proposing that Debian switches to a
>> series of "CD1s" (Deb
Hi:
On 12/09/12 16:36, Jean-Christophe Dubacq wrote:
On 12/09/2012 15:53, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
Claiming that ``What is on CD1 is really anecdotic, since most people use (or
should
use) the netinst'' really sounds as claim of a newbie who has never installed
Debian
on a computer. So do not be
On 12/09/2012 15:53, Jerome BENOIT wrote:
> Claiming that ``What is on CD1 is really anecdotic, since most people use (or
> should
> use) the netinst'' really sounds as claim of a newbie who has never installed
> Debian
> on a computer. So do not be surprised to get newbie like responses.
> Othe
On 12/09/12 13:38, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 12:40 +0200, Jerome BENOIT a écrit :
What does it happen when no internet connection is available (no access to
internet,
no supported driver for the net card) ?
This case is certainly as anecdotic as CD1, but somehow
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 13:34:38, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 13:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> > Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
> > "Desktop Environment" is, what should happen if the user makes no choice
> > at all?
>
> What w
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 01:34:38PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 13:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> > Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
> > "Desktop Environment" is, what should happen if the user makes no choice
> > at al
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 12:40 +0200, Jerome BENOIT a écrit :
> What does it happen when no internet connection is available (no access to
> internet,
> no supported driver for the net card) ?
> This case is certainly as anecdotic as CD1, but somehow in this situation CD1
> can be very use
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 13:39 +0300, Andrei POPESCU a écrit :
> Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
> "Desktop Environment" is, what should happen if the user makes no choice
> at all?
What we have now: a sensible default.
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On 12/09/12 12:16, Josselin Mouette wrote:
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 11:03 +0100, Darac Marjal a écrit :
Isn't the whole concept of "default desktop" just a matter of "which
desktop is included on CD1"? Are you proposing that Debian switches to a
series of "CD1s" (Debian Ghome Edition, D
On Mi, 12 sep 12, 12:16:50, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> So the real question is being able to choose the desktop from the
> installer instead of having to pre-seed this choice.
Assuming a user that has no idea what Gnome/KDE/Xfce/LXDE or even a
"Desktop Environment" is, what should happen if the
Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 11:03 +0100, Darac Marjal a écrit :
> Isn't the whole concept of "default desktop" just a matter of "which
> desktop is included on CD1"? Are you proposing that Debian switches to a
> series of "CD1s" (Debian Ghome Edition, Debian KDE Edition, Debian XFCE
> Edition
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 11:02:28AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Wookey wrote:
>
> > I'd be happy if xfce was the default.
>
> I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a "default desktop"
> and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
Paul Wise (12/09/2012):
> I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a "default desktop"
> and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
> images.
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Le mercredi 12 septembre 2012 à 08:15 +, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
> On 2012-09-12, Paul Wise wrote:
> > I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a "default desktop"
> > and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
> > images.
>
> yes please.
Seconded.
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On 2012-09-12, Paul Wise wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Wookey wrote:
>
>> I'd be happy if xfce was the default.
>
> I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a "default desktop"
> and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
> images.
yes please.
/Sune
On Wed, Sep 12, 2012 at 1:22 AM, Wookey wrote:
> I'd be happy if xfce was the default.
I would be happy if we threw away the concept of a "default desktop"
and left that choice to people who do installs or downloading of live
images.
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Philipp Kern (12/09/2012):
> Does it support accessibility? Just because you quote that we're universal…
Last I heard (and if my memory is right, which probably isn't the case, so
please double check), a11y should work more or less, but with xfce >= 4.10.
That's what's in experimental, oops.
L
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Philipp Kern wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 01:38:08PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
>> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
>> > I'd be happy if xfce was the default. Which is better depends if one
>> > prefers 'dull-but-works-everywhere' over
>> > 'shi
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 01:38:08PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote:
> On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
> > I'd be happy if xfce was the default. Which is better depends if one
> > prefers 'dull-but-works-everywhere' over
> > 'shiny-but-not-universaly-liked'. I can see reasonable argumen
* Ian Jackson:
> So if it works just fine without the 3D I don't understand what the
> warning is for.
It's a separate desktop environment, and not lust a lack of visual
effects. None of the Javascript parts work in fallback mode because
GNOME Shell isn't running.
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Wookey (11/09/2012):
> If the message tells people to select 'gnome classic' in the logon
> menu to make it go away then that seems reasonable to me.
That's not needed; I did write “at first login”. (For those who wonder, the
fact it's been displayed is then stored in dconf, see details in [1].)
On 09/11/2012 02:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
> If the message tells people to select 'gnome classic' in the logon
> menu to make it go away then that seems reasonable to me.
Again, not really an option for our live images. Two obvious options are:
1. Modify the live image to silently fail over to gnome
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 1:22 PM, Wookey wrote:
> I'd be happy if xfce was the default. Which is better depends if one
> prefers 'dull-but-works-everywhere' over
> 'shiny-but-not-universaly-liked'. I can see reasonable arguments in
> favour of either.
Robustness is a rather important/lofty goal es
+++ Jonathan Carter [2012-09-11 12:34 -0400]:
> On 11/09/2012 11:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > Can we move on now? I don’t even understand how a *one-time warning*
> > explaining a user that his desktop will look different from what he
> > might obtain on another Debian machine can even be a seri
On 09/11/2012 01:11 PM, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> every time the live image is booted they will see this image unless they
> happen to be using
^
I meant to say "see this error message", not "see this image". ugh. crappy
proofing, sorry.
On 11/09/2012 11:32, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 15:58 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
>> I'm not sure of my actual opinion about the warning because I'm not
>> sure of the technical background. But I think Debian should try to be
>> remain good and useable even on machine
On 09/11/2012 12:55 PM, Ian Jackson wrote:
> Josselin Mouette writes ("Re: Gnome classic mode"):
>> Can we move on now? I don’t even understand how a *one-time warning*
>> explaining a user that his desktop will look different from what he
>> might obtain on anoth
Josselin Mouette writes ("Re: Gnome classic mode"):
> Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 15:58 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> > I'm not sure of my actual opinion about the warning because I'm not
> > sure of the technical background. But I think Debian should try to
Le mardi 11 septembre 2012 à 15:58 +0100, Ian Jackson a écrit :
> I'm not sure of my actual opinion about the warning because I'm not
> sure of the technical background. But I think Debian should try to be
> remain good and useable even on machines with poor or no 3D graphics
> support, and not b
Thomas Goirand writes ("Re: Gnome classic mode"):
> Another thing: upstream decided to display a warning. I'm not sure it is
> the role of Debian to decide they are wrong.
One of the points of having a distro is that a distro (being an entity
with a better view of the bigger
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On 11/09/2012 08:07, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
> Josselin Mouette (11/09/2012):
>> Just because these people are noisy doesn’t make them numerous.
>>
>> Furthermore, Debian (and Ubuntu too IIRC) makes “GNOME classic”
>> available right from the login man
On 09/11/2012 08:07 PM, Cyril Brulebois wrote:
M-x thread-hijacking-mode
Josselin Mouette (11/09/2012):
Just because these people are noisy doesn’t make them numerous.
Furthermore, Debian (and Ubuntu too IIRC) makes “GNOME classic”
available right from the login manager, with the default inst
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