Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-06-29 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Yann" == Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Yann> Hi all of you... I've just been reading this (quite old for Yann> now) thread. What's the status of the discussion now ? Has Yann> there been some new feeback from other groups ? I just discovered "/usr/share/keytables/hyp

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-06-29 Thread Yann Dirson
Hi all of you... I've just been reading this (quite old for now) thread. What's the status of the discussion now ? Has there been some new feeback from other groups ? -- Yann Dirson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://monge.univ-mlv.fr/~dirson -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-06-04 Thread Charles Briscoe-Smith
Tom Lees <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Ctrl+PrintScreen (=SysRq) should do a kernel info thing. Have you heard of the GGI project? One of the things they have is a SAK (secure attention key), which is guaranteed to kill all processes running on the current VC. The key they're using at the moment f

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-06-02 Thread Tom Lees
On Mon, 26 May 1997, Christian Schwarz wrote: > On Mon, 26 May 1997, Jim Pick wrote: > > > I agree 100% with what Ian says. (Let's do it) > > Me too! (I didn't know that such a simple solution is possible :-) > > So what about the other keys? I suggest that all character keys, symbols, > etc.

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-29 Thread Milan Zamazal
> "DF" == David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: :: Then I have a "Print" key, "Scroll-Lock", and "Pause". All :: three keys don't have an effect in my X configuration--on the :: console "Scroll-Lock" starts/stops terminal output, just like :: "C-S and C-Q". Is there any useful

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-28 Thread Raul Miller
David Frey: > > PS: I was never able to reliably switch the Ctrl/CapsLock key a la Sun. On May 28, Kai Henningsen wrote > And don't do this as a standard feature, either - CapsLock is bad enough > on its own, but switching it with Ctrl would make a keyboard just about > unusable for me. The w

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-28 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (David Frey) wrote on 27.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > AltGr is a special modifier: it is a kind of Hyper key if you want > (with Alt == Meta). Ah yes, this brings up a point: *Don't* use Alt=(bit 0x80)! This won't work for most people (anybody that needs more than ASCII).

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-27 Thread David Frey
On Mon, May 26 1997 20:40 +0200 Christian Schwarz writes: > Then I have a "special ALT" key on my german kbd, that's label "Alt Gr". > In DOS/Win95 it behaves like pressing Ctrl-Alt together. It's useful to > get some "alt-alt keys" (for example, I have "=", "0", and, "}" on one > key). I think th

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-27 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Manoj Srivastava) wrote on 26.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >>"Christoph" == Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Christoph> Emacs is one application. We want to use an existing > Christoph> STANDARD not screw up one more. Emacs can be > Christoph> adapted. Pleas

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-27 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Mark" == Mark Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Mark> I think it covers everything; would you mind floating it Mark> before a broader audience though (gnu.emacs.misc perhaps, if Mark> not also comp.protocols.x.something?) And [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or should I make a digest and f

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Mark Eichin
I think it covers everything; would you mind floating it before a broader audience though (gnu.emacs.misc perhaps, if not also comp.protocols.x.something?) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Christoph" == Christoph Lameter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christoph> Emacs is one application. We want to use an existing Christoph> STANDARD not screw up one more. Emacs can be Christoph> adapted. Please do use existing standards for keyboard Christoph> layouts and character mapping!

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Christoph Lameter) wrote on 26.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: > : What we want is: > : * `<--' always deletes the character to the left of the cursor. > : * `Delete' always deletes to the right. > : * `Control'+`H' produces help in

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Kai Henningsen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Ian Jackson) wrote on 26.05.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What we want is: > * `<--' always deletes the character to the left of the cursor. > * `Delete' always deletes to the right. > * `Control'+`H' produces help in Emacs, as before. > We want this to be true for the consol

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Nils Rennebarth
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Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, A jihad-buster ;-(. I agree with Ian, lets do it, as Jim said. Manoj -- You may redistribute this article only to those who may freely do likewise. Chip Salzenberg at A T Engineering; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> or Thanks. I think I'll just flush it. Dale C. Cook, [EMAIL PROT

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Christian Schwarz
On Mon, 26 May 1997, Jim Pick wrote: > I agree 100% with what Ian says. (Let's do it) Me too! (I didn't know that such a simple solution is possible :-) So what about the other keys? I suggest that all character keys, symbols, etc. should produce the character that's printed on the key (this so

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Rob Browning
Jim Pick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I agree 100% with what Ian says. (Let's do it) Consider this another "me too". -- Rob -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] .

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Christoph Lameter
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> you wrote: : What we want is: : * `<--' always deletes the character to the left of the cursor. : * `Delete' always deletes to the right. : * `Control'+`H' produces help in Emacs, as before. Emacs is one application. We want to use an existing STANDARD not screw u

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Jim Pick
I agree 100% with what Ian says. (Let's do it) Cheers, - Jim pgp1CVGyswT6R.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Ian Jackson
What we want is: * `<--' always deletes the character to the left of the cursor. * `Delete' always deletes to the right. * `Control'+`H' produces help in Emacs, as before. We want this to be true for the console, for X, and even if you use rlogin or telnet to get from one system to another. Wha

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Christian" == Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian> Perhaps we can make an exception for stupid emacs (yes, I Christian> use it too :-) Christian> I just had a look at the article again and it seams as the Christian> author silently overrides ^H to behave like Backspace

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Mark Eichin
> Huh. I have the opposite problem: The end key doens't work in xterms! in xterm, or in rxvt? (This is one of the two or three differences between the rxvt and xterm termcap entries...) -- TO UNSUBSCRIBE FROM THIS MAILING LIST: e-mail the word "unsubscribe" to [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Trouble? e-ma

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-26 Thread Mark Eichin
well, there is a half-baked idea that I've seen go by: in emacs, *if* the user has done an stty erase ^h (ie. if the ltchars erase entry is ^h) then treat ^h as backspace, otherwise treat it as help-char... However, that's not going into debian emacs unless it goes into the upstream version (19.35

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread Philip Hands
> > For example, on my keyboard I can use the up- and down-arrow keys to > > scroll in "less" (on the console and in an Xterm), but the PgUp and PgDn > > keys only work in the Xterm--not on the console. > > Huh. I have the opposite problem: The end key doens't work in xterms! > xterms are in my ex

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "David" == David Frey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> the PgUp and PgDn keys only work in the Xterm--not on the >> console. David> Huh. I have the opposite problem: The end key doens't work David> in xterms! xterms are in my experience in this regard David> pathological

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread David Frey
On Sat, May 24 1997 20:51 +0200 Christian Schwarz writes: A agree 110%. > Hi folks! > > I just read the excellent article "Consisten Keyboard Configuration" by > John F. Bunch in the Linux Journal, issue #38. > > It would be nice if we could specify a keyboard configuration in the > Policy Man

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread J.H.M.Dassen
On May 24, Christian Schwarz wrote > I just read the excellent article "Consisten Keyboard Configuration" by > John F. Bunch in the Linux Journal, issue #38. One of the things I missed in that article was how to get the console and X to use the same composite definitions. On my system, I've made

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread Chris Walker
Excellent summary. This problem needs sorting out. Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Anyways, I don't want to mess around with different meanings of > the Backspace/Delete keys all the time just because the author of Emacs > did this mistake! Absolutely. > Let me summarize (and

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread Mark Baker
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > See, I think this is buggy. I have been using Emacs for nearly > a decade now, and nobody takes my C-H default away from me (in other > words, people have had exposure to applications like emacs on othe

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread Christian Schwarz
On 24 May 1997, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Karl> The newest XEmacs, 20.2 (compiled here w/o MULE), works fine for > Karl> me, in that the backspace key deletes to the left, and delete > Karl> sucks characters from the right, as you

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-25 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Karl" == Karl M Hegbloom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Karl> The newest XEmacs, 20.2 (compiled here w/o MULE), works fine for Karl> me, in that the backspace key deletes to the left, and delete Karl> sucks characters from the right, as you would expect after using Karl> a DOS/Windows PC. I u

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-24 Thread Karl M. Hegbloom
> "Christian" == Christian Schwarz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Christian> I just read the excellent article "Consisten Keyboard Christian> Configuration" by John F. Bunch in the Linux Journal, Christian> issue #38. I read it too, and tried some of the configuration given there.

Re: GOAL: Consistent Keyboard Configuration

1997-05-24 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, But can we get consensus on correct behaviour of keys? (the classic example is the delete-backspace-Control H controversy [for example, I personally want my backspace to delete character backwards *all* the time, and not send C-H, and I don't really care about delete, which would n