Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-23 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Sat, Aug 23, 2003 at 12:55:06PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > So your bandwidth is not key issue here. > > You know what online time costs for modem users? :) Yes, I moved from US to EU. It may not be as bad as Japan though :) If you have few

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-23 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Osamu Aoki <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:57:53PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > ... > > > Have you ever built kde-i18n? When I last NMUed it it took something > > > like nine hours for my laptop to build it, and my lapto

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-22 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 10:57:53PM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: ... > > Have you ever built kde-i18n? When I last NMUed it it took something > > like nine hours for my laptop to build it, and my laptop isn't all > > *that* wimpy. > > Not surprising

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Colin Watson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:46:42AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > > * Goswin von Brederlow > > > | The bandwith for buildds is a fixed price and already paid/sponsored. > > > | Whats variable is the

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-22 Thread Colin Watson
On Fri, Aug 22, 2003 at 11:46:42AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > * Goswin von Brederlow > > | The bandwith for buildds is a fixed price and already paid/sponsored. > > | Whats variable is the traffic. > > > > How can you say that? It might b

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-22 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow > > | The bandwith for buildds is a fixed price and already paid/sponsored. > | Whats variable is the traffic. > > How can you say that? It might be on an ADSL line or something. Have fun building kde i18n. Its 200MB sources

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-22 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Goswin von Brederlow | The bandwith for buildds is a fixed price and already paid/sponsored. | Whats variable is the traffic. How can you say that? It might be on an ADSL line or something. | What I ment was its muchs faster to upload way less data. I doubt the buildds have a much faster co

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Ian Lynagh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:39:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > > > I also like the idea of rebuilding packages with newer versions of > > their build-depends (or tool-chain) when a buildd is idle. That too > > would require a more automatic hand

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Tollef Fog Heen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > * Goswin von Brederlow > > | There is also another reason, not mentioned before, for source only > | uploads. It takes way less bandwith to upload a diff.gz+dsc file than > | to upload a big binary package. > > Bandwidth has costs for buildds as wel

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-21 Thread Ian Lynagh
On Thu, Aug 21, 2003 at 11:39:00AM +0200, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > > I also like the idea of rebuilding packages with newer versions of > their build-depends (or tool-chain) when a buildd is idle. That too > would require a more automatic handling of maybe-successfull builds > that won't be u

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-21 Thread Adam Heath
On 21 Aug 2003, Goswin von Brederlow wrote: > Doogie already said he wants to implement a smart comparator for deb > in dpkg 2.0 which would then be used to compare that different builds > of the binary-all even give the same result. This means you give the 2 debs(which probably only differ by d

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-21 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Goswin von Brederlow | There is also another reason, not mentioned before, for source only | uploads. It takes way less bandwith to upload a diff.gz+dsc file than | to upload a big binary package. Bandwidth has costs for buildds as well. -- Tollef Fog Heen

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-21 Thread Goswin von Brederlow
Adam Heath <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > > > Why not? Just block binary uploads completely, and let everything get > > built by the buildds. I certainly plan to do that with my own uploads. > > (I've already set up my own buildds). > > > > I'd go one

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-20 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 20 Aug 2003, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > Why not? Just block binary uploads completely, and let everything get > built by the buildds. I certainly plan to do that with my own uploads. > (I've already set up my own buildds). > > I'd go one step farther and schedule a low-priority rebuild of e

Re: FTBFS: architecture all packages

2003-08-20 Thread Matthias Urlichs
Hi, Andrew Suffield wrote: >> If its hoop-jumping then it must be intentional. Point is it happens. > > Who cares? We cannot build an automated system here that will be able > to stop people doing things like that. Why not? Just block binary uploads completely, and let everything get built by th