Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-11 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sat, May 09, 2015 at 09:23:26AM +0200, Mechtilde wrote: > Hello > > Am 05.05.2015 um 23:45 schrieb Mike Hommey: > > On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 02:22:04PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> Hello world, > >> > >> Now with wheezy happy and out the door, we should finally tackle a long > >> open issue.

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-11 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 11, 2015 at 3:12 PM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > At least DM. I expect DMs will have access (as the mail talks about the uploading keyring*s*). > I do not understand how lintian can do a complete check without binaries. It can't check binaries if they don't get uploaded and l

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-11 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
El Dilluns, 11 de maig de 2015, a les 11:52:13, Paul Wise va escriure: > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > > people.d.o AFAIK is _only_ for DD. Anyway, if I can see it correctly it's > > only web space. > > > > My ppa propose could be also useful for Debian membe

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-10 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 11:48 PM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > people.d.o AFAIK is _only_ for DD. Anyway, if I can see it correctly it's only > web space. > > My ppa propose could be also useful for Debian members. I think that new > packages, are controller by ftp-masters, so any help to cr

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-10 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
El Diumenge, 10 de maig de 2015, a les 10:47:27, Paul Wise va escriure: > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > > El Dissabte, 9 de maig de 2015, a les 09:23:26, Mechtilde va escriure: > >> Why can't you use people.debian.org for this? > > > > It's not an option for

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-09 Thread Jörg Frings-Fürst
Hi, Am Sonntag, den 10.05.2015, 10:47 +0800 schrieb Paul Wise: > On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > > El Dissabte, 9 de maig de 2015, a les 09:23:26, Mechtilde va escriure: > >> Why can't you use people.debian.org for this? > > It's not an option for a non develo

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Sun, May 10, 2015 at 12:06 AM, Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda wrote: > El Dissabte, 9 de maig de 2015, a les 09:23:26, Mechtilde va escriure: >> Why can't you use people.debian.org for this? > It's not an option for a non developer member. :-( If you are a member of Debian, you have access to people

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-09 Thread Leopold Palomo-Avellaneda
El Dissabte, 9 de maig de 2015, a les 09:23:26, Mechtilde va escriure: > Hello > > Am 05.05.2015 um 23:45 schrieb Mike Hommey: > > On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 02:22:04PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >> Hello world, > >> > >> Now with wheezy happy and out the door, we should finally tackle a long > >

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-09 Thread Mechtilde
Hello Am 05.05.2015 um 23:45 schrieb Mike Hommey: > On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 02:22:04PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> Hello world, >> >> Now with wheezy happy and out the door, we should finally tackle a long >> open issue. Developer repositories (AKA PPA) for Debian. > > Now with jessie happy an

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2015-05-05 Thread Mike Hommey
On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 02:22:04PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Hello world, > > Now with wheezy happy and out the door, we should finally tackle a long > open issue. Developer repositories (AKA PPA) for Debian. Now with jessie happy and out the door, what is the status of Developer repositories

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-17 Thread Francois Marier
On 2013-05-17 at 10:08:20, Olivier Berger wrote: > AFAIU, I guess that, at least from the user-friendliness POV, the main > perceptible difference, is : > - OpenID uses a URL as a person's identifier : may or not be easily >copied/remembered/dictated > - WebID uses a URL too, same problems (t

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-17 Thread Francois Marier
On 2013-05-16 at 14:12:33, Daniel Kahn Gillmor wrote: > It looks to me like BrowserID/Persona will only work in web browsers > with a functional javascript stack (and eventually, with a functional > javascript crypto stack). The client authentication happens inside the > TLS layer, over the HTTP p

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
Stéphane Glondu writes: > Le 17/05/2013 17:43, Russ Allbery a écrit : >> [...] >> 4. Hijack that metadata identity request so that it goes to their server >>instead of mine. This can be done in any number of ways (DNS cache >>poisoning, compromise of www.eyrie.org, compromise of my accoun

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-17 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Le 17/05/2013 17:43, Russ Allbery a écrit : > [...] > 4. Hijack that metadata identity request so that it goes to their server >instead of mine. This can be done in any number of ways (DNS cache >poisoning, compromise of www.eyrie.org, compromise of my account on >www.eyrie.org, TCP ac

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-17 Thread Russ Allbery
ober...@debian.org writes: > Russ Allbery writes: >> I'd never heard of WebID before this thread, but looking briefly at the >> spec, I share Daniel's concerns. I don't see how this eliminates >> reliance on the normal CAs. You still have to do certificate >> validation to be able to trust the

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-17 Thread obergix
Hi. Sorry to be a bit late in the discussion. Russ Allbery writes: > > I'd never heard of WebID before this thread, but looking briefly at the > spec, I share Daniel's concerns. I don't see how this eliminates reliance > on the normal CAs. You still have to do certificate validation to be abl

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-17 Thread Olivier Berger
Hi. Philip Hands writes: > > Do you have any thoughts on how that compares with using > BrowserID/Persona? I'd got the impression that BrowserID has been put > together learning from mistakes of OpenID & WebID, but perhaps I'm just > swallowing their marketing. > AFAIU, I guess that, at least

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-16 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 05/15/2013 11:04 PM, Philip Hands wrote: > Do you have any thoughts on how that compares with using > BrowserID/Persona? I'd got the impression that BrowserID has been put > together learning from mistakes of OpenID & WebID, but perhaps I'm just > swallowing their marketing. It looks to me li

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-16 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Stéphane Glondu (2013-05-16 10:57:19) > Le 16/05/2013 05:04, Philip Hands a écrit : > > Do you have any thoughts on how that compares with using > > BrowserID/Persona? I'd got the impression that BrowserID has been > > put together learning from mistakes of OpenID & WebID, but perhaps >

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-16 Thread Stéphane Glondu
Le 16/05/2013 05:04, Philip Hands a écrit : > Do you have any thoughts on how that compares with using > BrowserID/Persona? I'd got the impression that BrowserID has been put > together learning from mistakes of OpenID & WebID, but perhaps I'm just > swallowing their marketing. IIUC, there is no

Re: Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-15 Thread Philip Hands
Daniel Kahn Gillmor writes: > On 05/14/2013 10:03 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > >> I have also thought WebID would be a perfect match for things like this. > [...] >> Daniel has raised concerns about WebID: >> http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2011-March/001030.html >>

Web ID as passwordless authentication for debian web services [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-14 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 05/14/2013 10:03 AM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > I have also thought WebID would be a perfect match for things like this. [...] > Daniel has raised concerns about WebID: > http://lists.alioth.debian.org/pipermail/freedombox-discuss/2011-March/001030.html > > Quite frustrating, because I trust D

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-14 Thread Russ Allbery
Jonas Smedegaard writes: > Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-05-14 14:27:51) >> I'm not so sure how GPG integrates in the WebID landscape, but it seems >> to me that WebID, based on Linked Data principles has some similarity >> with Web of Trust concepts well known in the GPG system. > Daniel has rai

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-14 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Olivier Berger (2013-05-14 14:27:51) > Russ Allbery writes: > > > Raphael Hertzog writes: > >> On Mon, 06 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > > >>> Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM > >>> webinterface: You do whatever you need, then click a button - and > >>> voila,

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-14 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Tue, May 14, 2013 at 02:27:51PM +0200, Olivier Berger wrote: > >>> Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM webinterface: You > >>> do whatever you need, then click a button - and voila, there is > >>> everything ready to copy/paste into a MUA. Send with sig, done. > > > >> Why? Thi

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-14 Thread Olivier Berger
Russ Allbery writes: > Raphael Hertzog writes: >> On Mon, 06 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > >>> Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM webinterface: You >>> do whatever you need, then click a button - and voila, there is >>> everything ready to copy/paste into a MUA. Send with s

monkeysphere TLS client-side certs [was: Re: Developer repositories for Debian]

2013-05-10 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
Raphaël wrote: > I don't think that you're speaking of the same thing. I see no > information about "X.509 client certificates" in Monkeysphere. It > offers ways to validate the server certificate (if it's not signed by > known CA) but it doesn't seem to offer any solution to manage client > certi

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 2:16 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > I don't think that you're speaking of the same thing. I see no information > about "X.509 client certificates" in Monkeysphere. It offers ways to > validate the server certificate (if it's not signed by known CA) but it > doesn't seem to of

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Fri, 10 May 2013, Paul Wise wrote: > On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > > > That level of security isn't great, though. GPG keys are much more secure > > than that password. What we would want for equivalent security in a web > > interface is personal X.509 certificates. >

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Paul Wise
On Fri, May 10, 2013 at 4:33 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > That level of security isn't great, though. GPG keys are much more secure > than that password. What we would want for equivalent security in a web > interface is personal X.509 certificates. > > I think it would be interesting to have that

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-09 Thread Russ Allbery
Raphael Hertzog writes: > On Mon, 06 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM webinterface: You >> do whatever you need, then click a button - and voila, there is >> everything ready to copy/paste into a MUA. Send with sig, done. > Why? This is just

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Mon, 06 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Nah, the webinterface just should end up like the DAM webinterface: You > do whatever you need, then click a button - and voila, there is > everything ready to copy/paste into a MUA. Send with sig, done. Why? This is just a band-aid and not what I w

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13203 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> - any member of the uploading keyrings can create a PPAMAIN using a >>defined interface[1]. >> [1] Most probably it will either be a signed mail or a signed .commands >> style file. > While I won't question the need to support signed mails or

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, May 06, 2013 at 09:05:43AM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > > While I won't question the need to support signed mails or commands files, > I would like to argue for the support of a web interface as well. The > sheer number of operations that are possible on such repositories will > make it

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Montag, 6. Mai 2013, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > While I won't question the need to support signed mails or commands files, > I would like to argue for the support of a web interface as well. how about a web interface which creates such mails/commands, which then only need to be copied into

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-06 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi Jörg, we definitely needs something like this and your suggested set of rules seems sane. On Sun, 05 May 2013, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > - any member of the uploading keyrings can create a PPAMAIN using a >defined interface[1]. > > [1] Most probably it will either be a signed mail or a signe

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-05 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Sun, May 05, 2013 at 04:48:01PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > > Feature suggestion: Optionally only allow the package set transferred to > > unstable if all transferred packages are installable in the final set, > > or similar checks as applied in the unstable → testing transition. > > That wou

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-05 Thread Joerg Jaspert
On 13202 March 1977, Joachim Breitner wrote: >> - a PPAMAIN can have its full package set transferred into its base >>suite with one command, provided the base suite is configured to >>receive such transfers. (Currently we imagine only unstable will be >>configured for it, but other

Re: Developer repositories for Debian

2013-05-05 Thread Joachim Breitner
Hi, let me comment Am Sonntag, den 05.05.2013, 14:22 +0200 schrieb Joerg Jaspert: > Preparing Transitions: > Some base package(s) should be changed in a maybe incompatible > way. All of its reverse (Build-)Depends will be rebuild, updated, > and fixed in the PPA before they get t