Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-09 Thread Alexander Wirt
Rene Engelhard schrieb am Thursday, den 09. September 2010: > On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 01:22:24PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > 1: It's certainly a bug in the backported package using debhelper > > improperly; it may also be an additional wishlist bug in debhelper. > > I disagree, the backported

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-09 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 01:22:24PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > 1: It's certainly a bug in the backported package using debhelper > improperly; it may also be an additional wishlist bug in debhelper. I disagree, the backported package uses debhelper correctly. Especially if you don't use the back

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010, Rene Engelhard wrote: > On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 12:04:24PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > That's not a bug in debhelper; it's a bug in the backport of the > > package, so it shouldn't be filed against debhelper. [Though, perhaps > > it could be a wishlist request; I don't know

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
On Wed, Sep 08, 2010 at 12:04:24PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > That's not a bug in debhelper; it's a bug in the backport of the > package, so it shouldn't be filed against debhelper. [Though, perhaps > it could be a wishlist request; I don't know.] No, it's a bug in the debhelper backport. If b

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-08 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 08 Sep 2010, Rene Engelhard wrote: > That would equally make "all bpo bugs go to the BTS" in my case. Thanks, but > no, > thanks. Especially not if the "bug" is caused by a external package and/or > debhelper > backported but its scripts not adapted back to lenny so that e.g. the built >

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-08 Thread Rene Engelhard
Hi, On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 02:09:24PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Steve Langasek writes: > > > For the package in question, the backports are done by a fellow > > comaintainer, so I'm not complaining about the bug traffic; but that > > doesn't mean it's *right* for that traffic to be going to

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Christian PERRIER
Quoting Steve Langasek (vor...@debian.org): > A single package I'm comaintainer of that has a backports.org backport has > received at least 12 bug reports to the BTS over the past year referencing > bpo versions (not counting any that might have been retargeted using > found/notfound after being

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages [Was: Re: Backports service becoming official]

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Steve Langasek wrote: > > But when someone takes my package and uploads it somewhere other > > than the main Debian archive, they incur *all* the responsibilities > > of maintaining that package, including the res

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:57:56PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:03:56 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 05:13:14PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > > > Backports has now been declared "officially" supported by the project > > > > > as a whole. Tha

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Sebastian Harl wrote: > Just to make that clear: I did not talk about any burden for the > package maintainers but the burden for the BTS > maintainers/developers to add support for bpo. Whether or not the > infrastructure for that (in the BTS) might be useful nonetheless is >

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 15:03:56 -0700 Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 05:13:14PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > > Backports has now been declared "officially" supported by the project > > > > as a whole. That made it the collective responsibility of all > > > > Debian Developers

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 05:13:14PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > > Backports has now been declared "officially" supported by the project > > > as a whole. That made it the collective responsibility of all > > > Debian Developers whether or not individuals in particular like it or > > > not. >

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Michael Gilbert writes: > Doing a quick look at the backports mailing list archive, there are less > than 10 bugs reported per month on average. That is for hundreds of > packages. Doing some fuzzy math, if you have a package that got > backported, you may see an additional 10/100 = 0.1 bug repor

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 13:48:09 -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 04:18:48PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > Doing a quick look at the backports mailing list archive, there are less > > than 10 bugs reported per month on average. That is for hundreds of > > packages. Doing some

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Steve Langasek writes: > For the package in question, the backports are done by a fellow > comaintainer, so I'm not complaining about the bug traffic; but that > doesn't mean it's *right* for that traffic to be going to the BTS by > default. I wonder if we could apply some logic such as if the b

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 04:18:48PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > Doing a quick look at the backports mailing list archive, there are less > than 10 bugs reported per month on average. That is for hundreds of > packages. Doing some fuzzy math, if you have a package that got > backported, you may

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 22:27:47 +0200, Sebastian Harl wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 04:18:48PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > > On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:56:21 +0200, Sebastian Harl wrote: > > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > > An alternative solution is t

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Sebastian Harl
Hi, On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 04:18:48PM -0400, Michael Gilbert wrote: > On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:56:21 +0200, Sebastian Harl wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > > An alternative solution is to just have reportbug mail the backport > > > bug reporting mailing l

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Michael Gilbert
On Tue, 7 Sep 2010 21:56:21 +0200, Sebastian Harl wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > An alternative solution is to just have reportbug mail the backport > > bug reporting mailing list, and have people bounce messages as > > appropriate to the BTS. >

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages

2010-09-07 Thread Sebastian Harl
Hi, On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > An alternative solution is to just have reportbug mail the backport > bug reporting mailing list, and have people bounce messages as > appropriate to the BTS. Imho, this is the most sensible approach for now. The number of bugs