Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Jonas Smedegaard (2016-05-25 10:37:08) > Quoting Ansgar Burchardt (2016-05-25 10:14:02) >> Also all "Priority: important" packages installed by the default >> installation should be marked as manually installed as far as I >> remember. > > Is it documented somewhere which di-installed pac

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-25 Thread Jonas Smedegaard
Quoting Ansgar Burchardt (2016-05-25 10:14:02) > Also all "Priority: important" packages installed by the default > installation should be marked as manually installed as far as I > remember. Is it documented somewhere which di-installed packages should be marked as manually installed and which

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-25 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > On Tue, May 24, 2016, at 13:03, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 11:43 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: >> > On Tue, May 24, 2016, at 10:01, Simon McVittie wrote: >> > > On Tue, 24 May 2016 at 09:08:11 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschu

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, May 24, 2016, at 13:03, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 11:43 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Tue, May 24, 2016, at 10:01, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > On Tue, 24 May 2016 at 09:08:11 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > > > wrote: > > > > Whatever we do, we

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-24 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
On Tue, 2016-05-24 at 11:43 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Tue, May 24, 2016, at 10:01, Simon McVittie wrote: > > > > On Tue, 24 May 2016 at 09:08:11 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh > > wrote: > > > > > > Whatever we do, we absolutely must bring up a fully configured > > > loop

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-24 Thread Ian Jackson
Simon McVittie writes ("Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown"): > On Tue, 24 May 2016 at 09:08:11 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Whatever we do, we absolutely must bring up a fully configured loopback > > interface by default. > > H

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, May 24, 2016, at 10:01, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Tue, 24 May 2016 at 09:08:11 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > Whatever we do, we absolutely must bring up a fully configured loopback > > interface by default. > > Happily, our default init system already does that. We need t

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-24 Thread Simon McVittie
On Tue, 24 May 2016 at 09:08:11 -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > Whatever we do, we absolutely must bring up a fully configured loopback > interface by default. Happily, our default init system already does that. systemd's authors see the lo device as being less like networking and mor

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-24 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, May 23, 2016, at 22:54, Simon Richter wrote: > On 21.05.2016 21:06, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Personally I don't see a compelling reason why netbase should pull in a > > specific network configuration system. > > So +1 for dropping the Recommends. > > It should probably pull in at least one

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-23 Thread Simon Richter
Hi, On 21.05.2016 21:06, Michael Biebl wrote: > Personally I don't see a compelling reason why netbase should pull in a > specific network configuration system. > So +1 for dropping the Recommends. It should probably pull in at least one -- ideally listing a sensible default for Desktop installa

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Russ Allbery
Guus Sliepen writes: > Hm, I did not expect that, but according to codesearch.debian.net you > are right. I'm actually stunned by the amount of programs that do > something like: > struct protoent *pe = getprotobyname("TCP"); > int s = socket(AF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, pe->p_proto); > ...whe

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Marco d'Itri
On May 22, "Iain R. Learmonth" wrote: > What is the upstream source for the /etc/services file? Do we just I am... > maintain that in Debian or are updates incorporated from IANA and > unofficial port numbers? I do not use the official IANA list because it is huge and full of entries of questio

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Iain R. Learmonth
Hi, On 22/05/16 10:00, Niko Tyni wrote: > Well, getservbyname(3) is used by 945 packages according to > codesearch.debian.net, and getprotobyname(3) by 551 packages. > Those use /etc/services and /etc/protocols by default AFAIK. > Doesn't seem that seldom to me? I'm probably doing it wrong, but I

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 11:38:27AM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: > Hm, I did not expect that, but according to codesearch.debian.net you > are right. I'm actually stunned by the amount of programs that do > something like: > > struct protoent *pe = getprotobyname("TCP"); > int s = socket(AF_

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Sun, May 22, 2016 at 12:00:37PM +0300, Niko Tyni wrote: > > About the description of the netbase package though: it currently only > > contains for text files in /etc that are seldomly used. For fun I just > > purged netbase, and it doesn't really break anything. I wouldn't call it > > "necessa

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-22 Thread Niko Tyni
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 10:01:05PM +0200, Guus Sliepen wrote: > About the description of the netbase package though: it currently only > contains for text files in /etc that are seldomly used. For fun I just > purged netbase, and it doesn't really break anything. I wouldn't call it > "necessary in

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-21 Thread Guus Sliepen
On Fri, May 20, 2016 at 09:08:29PM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > Does anybody see a reason to NOT remove the recommends? I don't see a reason either. About the description of the netbase package though: it currently only contains for text files in /etc that are seldomly used. For fun I just purge

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-21 Thread Michael Biebl
Am 20.05.2016 um 21:08 schrieb Marco d'Itri: > Does anybody see a reason to NOT remove the recommends? I seems to have been a Depends in the past and was demoted to Recommends quite a while ago. Why it was added in the first place I can't seem to find in the debian changelog. Personally I don't se

Re: Bug#824884: netbase: should not recommend ifupdown

2016-05-20 Thread Marco d'Itri
Does anybody see a reason to NOT remove the recommends? On May 20, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > netbase should not recommend ifupdown. Currently any package > depending on netbase will install ifupdown and a dhcp client if > recommends are installed, see [1]. > > As ifupdown is currently Priority