Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-27 Thread Michelle Konzack
Am 2008-10-21 13:52:03, schrieb Pierre Habouzit: > On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 11:38:31AM +, Aurelien Jarno wrote: > > And we should delay the release by 5 years until we have them... > > I fear the hardware will be old at that time??? Not realy since we have currently an economic crises, the wor

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-23 Thread Pierre Habouzit
On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 10:53:46PM +, Norbert Preining wrote: > On Mi, 22 Okt 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > > In the end, all these discussions showed that many people here don't > > > give a piss for the users. > > > > Many? I only see 2 or 3 of them around. > > Ok, many *loud* voices ..

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-22 Thread Norbert Preining
On Mi, 22 Okt 2008, Josselin Mouette wrote: > > In the end, all these discussions showed that many people here don't > > give a piss for the users. > > Many? I only see 2 or 3 of them around. Ok, many *loud* voices ... How many times did I see that binary firmware discussion in my few years as D

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-22 Thread Noah Slater
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 07:23:35PM -0700, Kelly Clowers wrote: > As a mere user I very glad that Debian stands where it does on the > spectrum of caring about users vs caring about freedom. It is one of > the major reasons I am a user of Debian. Seconded. -- Noah Slater, http://bytesexual.org/ns

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-22 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 22 octobre 2008 à 01:14 +0200, Norbert Preining a écrit : > In the end, all these discussions showed that many people here don't > give a piss for the users. Many? I only see 2 or 3 of them around. -- .''`. : :' : We are debian.org. Lower your prices, surrender your code. `. `'

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-21 Thread Kelly Clowers
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008 at 4:14 PM, Norbert Preining <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Di, 21 Okt 2008, Luca Niccoli wrote: >> > raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used >> > to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in >> > beer) on HP website

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-21 Thread Norbert Preining
On Di, 21 Okt 2008, Luca Niccoli wrote: > > raff.debian.org uses a Compaq Smart 5i RAID card. A flash memory is used > > to store the firmware. While the firmware is freely downloadable (as in > > beer) on HP website [1], we don't have the corresponding source code. > > May I ask how many computer

Re: Bug#502959: general: raff.debian.org uses non-free software

2008-10-21 Thread Loïc Minier
On Tue, Oct 21, 2008, Romain Beauxis wrote: > If I recall well, one of the origin of the GNU fondation was the fact that > having free drivers alowed one to actually *fix* issues he may have with his > *own* hardware. Then, the very same reasoning can apply to binary firmware. Hardware can suff