Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Kevin Chadwick
previously on this list Russ Allbery contributed: > by the non-stop sniping (for *months* now) by people like Kevin Chadwick, Well I have only responded to incorrect statements and have tried to ignore any that are not from debian developers and may not affect the future of debian but you can't a

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Russ Allbery
The Wanderer writes: > Not for all eternity, but probably for as long as any significant number > of people who are in a position to observe and participate in (or at > least jump into) such a discussion have those concerns, yes. Meanwhile, many of the nice, polite, calm, and constructive system

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread The Wanderer
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 05/11/2014 10:21 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > 2014-05-11 15:55 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber : > >> On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: >> >>> There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon >>> made of. >> >> To

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-11 15:55 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber : > On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: >>There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon made of. > > To be fair, the major Linuxes will soon be made of that. Red Hat wants > it that way. Oh come on! Do we really have to

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Marc Haber
On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: >There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon made of. To be fair, the major Linuxes will soon be made of that. Red Hat wants it that way. Greetings Marc -- -- !! No courtesy copie

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Florian Lohoff
On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 03:47:47PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > This one. > > The systemd package contains other dbus services that you don't want to try > to exclude from a desktop system; and libpam-systemd provides necessary > integration with policykit on those same systems. So basically wh

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-10 Thread Steve Langasek
Hi John, On Sat, May 10, 2014 at 12:05:25PM -0400, John wrote: > After following the discussions of systemd (including everything on > debian-devel), I find myself appalled at the rude and domineering > attitudes of almost all systemd's defenders. I don't trust them. > Accordingly, I'd like to k