Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-17 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Fri, 17 May 2013, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > That is a good point. Thanks Thomas. We could submit apport reports with > the tag "Apport" and instruct reportbug to forward the report to > "pack...@qa.debian.org". > > This way we avoid the flood of bug reports in general while at the same >

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-16 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Monday 13 May 2013 11:26 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 05/13/2013 03:06 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: >> > 1) Duplicate bug reports: There are high possibilities that we could see >> > a sudden increase in the number of bug reports, many duplicates. This is >> > something I'm not sure how we wan

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-14 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mardi 14 mai 2013 à 00:40 +0200, Josselin Mouette a écrit : > > - adjust the buildds to begin generating debug symbols packages > >automatically - perhaps reusing pkgbinarymangler from Ubuntu, or perhaps > >using it as a reference > > Patches to debhelper already exist, to generate on

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 13 mai 2013 à 12:34 -0500, Steve Langasek a écrit : > - implement the changes necessary to ensure all binary packages in the >archive are built on the buildds, not on developers' systems[1] This is not even necessary. > - deploy centralized infrastructure, outside of the main arch

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Monday 13 May 2013 11:04 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > From past discussions, I think there's a very clear consensus in favor of > doing this; it's now a SMOP. > > The requirements are, in order: > > - implement the changes necessary to ensure all binary packages in the >archive are built on

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 05/13/2013 03:06 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > 1) Duplicate bug reports: There are high possibilities that we could see > a sudden increase in the number of bug reports, many duplicates. This is > something I'm not sure how we want to evaluate. We could give apport a > try, and leave it to the

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 05:56:25PM +0100, Wookey wrote: > +++ Steve Langasek [2013-05-13 11:22 -0500]: > > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 06:21:24PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > > > On Monday 13 May 2013 03:55 PM, Arno Töll wrote: > > > > note that, unlike Ubuntu we do not provide automated debug pac

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Wookey
+++ Steve Langasek [2013-05-13 11:22 -0500]: > On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 06:21:24PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > > On Monday 13 May 2013 03:55 PM, Arno Töll wrote: > > > note that, unlike Ubuntu we do not provide automated debug packages. > > > Hence many crash reports aren't usable at all when

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Steve Langasek
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 06:21:24PM +0530, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > On Monday 13 May 2013 03:55 PM, Arno Töll wrote: > > note that, unlike Ubuntu we do not provide automated debug packages. > > Hence many crash reports aren't usable at all when they are generated on > > Debian systems. > This cou

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Monday 13 May 2013 03:22 PM, Paul Wise wrote: > Another issue is privacy; backtraces may contain private information > that should not leave the system and there is no automated way to > determine that. How does Ubuntu deal with that? Unfortunately, there's no intelligence in apport client to d

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Ritesh Raj Sarraf
On Monday 13 May 2013 03:55 PM, Arno Töll wrote: > note that, unlike Ubuntu we do not provide automated debug packages. > Hence many crash reports aren't usable at all when they are generated on > Debian systems. This could be a start. It could help users request debug packages from package mainta

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Arno Töll
Hi, On 13.05.2013 09:06, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > Apport [1] is an automated crash reporting tool. It could also be used > as a bug reporting tool, but there are certain features missing (a text > input to add user description), not making it a candidate for reporting > bugs. For crashes, apport

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Benjamin Drung
Am Montag, den 13.05.2013, 12:00 +0200 schrieb Tollef Fog Heen: > ]] Paul Wise > > > Another issue is privacy; backtraces may contain private information > > that should not leave the system and there is no automated way to > > determine that. How does Ubuntu deal with that? > > IIRC, they mark

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
]] Paul Wise > Another issue is privacy; backtraces may contain private information > that should not leave the system and there is no automated way to > determine that. How does Ubuntu deal with that? IIRC, they mark the bugs as private on submission, then they have a server-side process that p

Re: Apport for Debian

2013-05-13 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, May 13, 2013 at 3:06 PM, Ritesh Raj Sarraf wrote: > Apport for Debian currently resides in experimental with a whopping > popcon stat of 11000+ installs. In the past, I have blogged [2] about > apport's state in Debian, where I received some constructive feedback. The popcon stats are pro