Re: About i386 support

Hi On 14-06-2024 8:09 p.m., rhys wrote: Even under the bookworm "Intel 686-only" rules, it still works, so I still use it. It's built, it runs, it serves a purpose, and it costs very little. And you can keep trying that until it doesn't work for you anymore, we're not saying we'll hold you

Re: About i386 support

rhys dijo [Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 01:09:18PM -0500]: > My response remains the same. If it only affects a small slice of > systems that already represent a small slice of systems, it becomes > untenably difficult to chase that one bug that affects that one > case. > > But that does not translate in

Re: About i386 support

> On Jun 14, 2024, at 11:46, Russ Allbery wrote: > > r...@neoquasar.org writes: > >> Then it's not a problem in the first place. If you can't reproduce a bug >> with a reasonable effort, then it is unconfirmed and you can stop >> worrying about it. > > I think you're confusing two different t

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r...@neoquasar.org writes: > Then it's not a problem in the first place. If you can't reproduce a bug > with a reasonable effort, then it is unconfirmed and you can stop > worrying about it. I think you're confusing two different types of reproduction. Architecture porting bugs are often hardwar

Re: Re: About i386 support

On Fri, 14 Jun 2024 at 11:54, wrote: > > Then it's not a problem in the first place. If you can't reproduce a bug with > a reasonable effort, then it is unconfirmed and you can stop worrying about > it. A bug that can't be reproduced, effectively doesn't exist. > > That's not a reason to stop su

Re: About i386 support

2024 04:39 *To:* debian-devel@lists.debian.org *Subject:* Re: Re: About i386 support > I've tried reproducing the daemon-reload bug report, unless I missed > something > obvious, daemon-reload works on my T2300, the TM Efficeon, and the > pre-SSE2 > Pentium 3 (mobile) that I hav

Re: Re: About i386 support

On Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 05:53:42AM -0500, r...@neoquasar.org wrote: > A bug that can't be reproduced, effectively doesn't exist.  Wow. -- WBR, wRAR signature.asc Description: PGP signature

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re architecture. That's a troubleshooting decision that you would make on any architecture.  Sent from my mobile device. From: Luca Boccassi Sent: Friday, June 14, 2024 04:39 To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: Re: About i386 support > I've t

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> I've tried reproducing the daemon-reload bug report, unless I missed > something > obvious, daemon-reload works on my T2300, the TM Efficeon, and the > pre-SSE2 > Pentium 3 (mobile) that I have. I could try running it on an original > Pentium, but I doubt that debian will run on it at all, even w

Re: About i386 support

Hello, Sorry for taking this long to respond, I've had quite some stuff to catch up on, after I was ill for 1 1/2 weeks. On 20.05.24 02:56, Luca Boccassi wrote: On Sun, 19 May 2024 at 23:30, Thomas Goirand wrote: On 5/19/24 17:30, r...@neoquasar.org wrote: I have an N270 system I can use to c

Re: About i386 support

On Sat, May 18, 2024 at 10:28:21AM +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > Pretty much every major Linux distribution is dropping _any_ 32 bit: Debian > is trying to support 32 bit on armhf, for example, which is more than > Ubuntu and Fedora. I don't know what you're basing it on, but it's simply not t

Re: About i386 support

Hello, Tomas Pospisek, le mar. 21 mai 2024 17:22:47 +0200, a ecrit: > > > Quoting Victor Gamper (2024-05-17 21:58:58) > > > For i386 there is a severe lack of person-power. Do you want to start > > > contributing your free-time for several years to come to d-i and > > > other areas > > > which are

Re: About i386 support

Hi Maite, hi Rhys, don't top-post. That breaks the flow of the arguments being argued about. *From:* Johannes Schauer Marin Rodrigues *Sent:* Friday, May 17, 2024 15:48 *To:* Victor Gamper; debian-devel@lists.debian.org *Subject:* Re: About i386 support Quoting Victor Gamper (2024-05-

Re: About i386 support

Andrey, On Tue, May 21, 2024 at 3:31 AM Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:16:54PM -0300, Leandro Cunha wrote: > > > > > which is good news. The end of support for 32 bits will not > > > > > affect the lives of almost anyone who has machines purchased after > > > > > 2011 a

Re: About i386 support

On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 07:16:54PM -0300, Leandro Cunha wrote: > > > > which is good news. The end of support for 32 bits will not > > > > affect the lives of almost anyone who has machines purchased after > > > > 2011 and who bought them after that > > > > > > Does this also mean he support for ar

Re: About i386 support

On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 6:11 PM Andrey Rakhmatullin wrote: > > On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 10:57:58PM +0200, William Bonnet wrote: > > > which is good news. The end of support for 32 bits will not > > > affect the lives of almost anyone who has machines purchased after > > > 2011 and who bought them a

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On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 10:57:58PM +0200, William Bonnet wrote: > > which is good news. The end of support for 32 bits will not > > affect the lives of almost anyone who has machines purchased after > > 2011 and who bought them after that > > Does this also mean he support for armhf will be droppe

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Hi all On 20/05/2024 22:27, Leandro Cunha wrote: which is good news. The end of support for 32 bits will not affect the lives of almost anyone who has machines purchased after 2011 and who bought them after that Does this also mean he support for armhf will be dropped ? Cheers William Ope

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Hello, On Mon, May 20, 2024 at 5:15 PM Paul Gevers wrote: > > Hi, > > On 20-05-2024 4:50 p.m., Ben Hutchings wrote: > > There is a tension here between the interests of (a) users that want to > > run proprietary i386 binaries on 64-bit CPUs, and (b) those who want to > > keep using 32-bit CPUs.

Re: About i386 support

Hi, On 20-05-2024 4:50 p.m., Ben Hutchings wrote: There is a tension here between the interests of (a) users that want to run proprietary i386 binaries on 64-bit CPUs, and (b) those who want to keep using 32-bit CPUs. If i386 is meant for group (a) then the baseline should be raised to include

Re: About i386 support

On Mon, 20 May 2024 00:30:13 +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote: > For example, *I* don't care at all about 32 bits arch, and would prefer if > these were to be sent to ports.debian.org. I really mean *all* 32 bits arch, > including armhf for example. I agree with you. No one really needs armel(armv5

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: Victor Gamper > > Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2024 08:03 > > To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org > > Subject: Re: About i386 support > > > > I believe I could swap out the processor on my T60, > > however, I'd both need to have that processor and > > make

Re: About i386 support

.org > Subject: Re: About i386 support > > I believe I could swap out the processor on my T60, > however, I'd both need to have that processor and > make sure that it is actually possible. It still would > not really make sense on a platform that only supports > 3G of ph

Re: About i386 support

Hi, Looking at projects like Arch, Manjaro, Ubuntu, Fedora and other operating system projects developed to use Linux as the kernel, we realize that none of them provide ISO for 32 bits. A brief search led me to Debian as the only one I've seen so far ( https://www.debian.org/releases/bookworm/deb

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On Sun, 19 May 2024 at 23:30, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > On 5/19/24 17:30, r...@neoquasar.org wrote: > > I have an N270 system I can use to contribute, if someone is willing to > > explain what I need to do to make it useful. > > Hi, > > If you allow me ... I was expecting someone else to write it

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On 5/19/24 17:30, r...@neoquasar.org wrote: I have an N270 system I can use to contribute, if someone is willing to explain what I need to do to make it useful. Hi, If you allow me ... I was expecting someone else to write it before me, but seeing nobody does, let me try. ... The issue isn'

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useful. > -- > *From:* Victor Gamper > *Sent:* Sunday, May 19, 2024 08:03 > *To:* debian-devel@lists.debian.org > *Subject:* Re: About i386 support >

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I have an N270 system I can use to contribute, if someone is willing to explain what I need to do to make it useful.  Sent from my mobile device. From: Victor Gamper Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2024 08:03 To: debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: About i386

Re: About i386 support

On Sun, 19 May 2024 15:03:18 +0200, Victor Gamper wrote: >I believe I could swap out the processor on my T60, >however, I'd both need to have that processor and >make sure that it is actually possible. It still would >not really make sense on a platform that only supports >3G of physical RAM. > >A

Re: About i386 support

I believe I could swap out the processor on my T60, however, I'd both need to have that processor and make sure that it is actually possible. It still would not really make sense on a platform that only supports 3G of physical RAM. Anyways, if the only reason why i386 cd images are not supported

Re: About i386 support

r; debian-devel@lists.debian.org *Subject:* Re: About i386 support Quoting Victor Gamper (2024-05-17 21:58:58) > Is there a reason to do this? If so, what would be required to keep the i386 > version, seeing as it still is important and used? anything can be done if there are enough contributor

Re: About i386 support

On Sat, 2024-05-18 at 10:28 +, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 09:58:58PM +0200, Victor Gamper wrote: > > Hello everyone, > > Is it correct that debian 13 is planned to be released without > > an i386 iso and i386 is planned to be deprecated? > > If so, I'd like to ask to rec

Re: About i386 support

Hi Andrew, Release team member hat on On 18-05-2024 12:28 p.m., Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: In reality, i386 should probably have been dropped early (or at the last minute) for bookworm; some libraries will be kept for compatibility but it's not realistic to maintain i386 for the whole of the trixi

Re: About i386 support

On Fri, May 17, 2024 at 09:58:58PM +0200, Victor Gamper wrote: > Hello everyone, > Is it correct that debian 13 is planned to be released without > an i386 iso and i386 is planned to be deprecated? > If so, I'd like to ask to reconsider this seeing as there is still a > plethora of i386 machines an

Re: About i386 support

Hi On 17-05-2024 9:58 p.m., Victor Gamper wrote: Is it correct that debian 13 is planned to be released without an i386 iso and i386 is planned to be deprecated? Our current position is described here: https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel-announce/2023/12/msg3.html Paul OpenPGP_signa

Re: About i386 support

: Victor Gamper; debian-devel@lists.debian.org Subject: Re: About i386 support Quoting Victor Gamper (2024-05-17 21:58:58) > Is there a reason to do this? If so, what would be required to keep the i386 > version, seeing as it still is important and used? anything can be done if there are

Re: About i386 support

Victor Gamper wrote: > Is there a reason to do this? If so, what would be required to keep > the i386 version, seeing as it still is important and used?

Re: About i386 support

Quoting Victor Gamper (2024-05-17 21:58:58) > Is there a reason to do this? If so, what would be required to keep the i386 > version, seeing as it still is important and used? anything can be done if there are enough contributors who care. For i386 there is a severe lack of person-power. Do you w