Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-30 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le jeudi, 30 août 2012 14.46:33, Jon Dowland a écrit : > On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 05:12:15PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > > We are building a binary distribution which main characteristic is to > > have the packages built _rarely_. As such, a useful but CPU-expensive > > operation is always

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-30 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 05:12:15PM +0200, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > We are building a binary distribution which main characteristic is to have > the > packages built _rarely_. As such, a useful but CPU-expensive operation is > always worth it. The situation is slightly different for Debian-

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 12:11:02PM -0400, Joey Hess wrote: >Steve McIntyre wrote: >> People have worried about it, but I think the consensus from DebConf >> is that we don't want to be hampered in our own development by >> considering external users > >How are "external users" different from "users

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Joey Hess
Steve McIntyre wrote: > People have worried about it, but I think the consensus from DebConf > is that we don't want to be hampered in our own development by > considering external users How are "external users" different from "users"? -- see shy jo signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Steve McIntyre
Marco wrote: >On Aug 29, Guillem Jover wrote: > >> I thought this was already the consensus, and the only dissenting >> opinion was that the base system should still be using gzip so that >> foreign non-Debian systems can unpack it w/o requiring to build or >> install xz beforehand. >I am not sure

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Didier 'OdyX' Raboud
Le mercredi, 29 août 2012 16.01:43, Jon Dowland a écrit : > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:56:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > > Before wondering whether PNG files should have an additional > > compression level, is there any reason why a better PNG compression > > isn't used in the first place? Fo

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Jon Dowland
On Wed, Aug 29, 2012 at 03:17:15PM +0100, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > I don't think it's worth +dfsg, and CPU cycles will only be wasted once > on the maintainer side, since most of PNGs are in arch:all packages anyway. I used to hack on the games-thumbnails package a bit, which ran optipng as part

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 29/08/12 15:01, Jon Dowland wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:56:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: >> Before wondering whether PNG files should have an additional >> compression level, is there any reason why a better PNG compression >> isn't used in the first place? For instance, "optipng -o

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Jon Dowland
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:56:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Before wondering whether PNG files should have an additional > compression level, is there any reason why a better PNG compression > isn't used in the first place? For instance, "optipng -o9" tries > various parameters and keeps the

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Aug 29, Guillem Jover wrote: > I thought this was already the consensus, and the only dissenting > opinion was that the base system should still be using gzip so that > foreign non-Debian systems can unpack it w/o requiring to build or > install xz beforehand. I am not sure if there was a cons

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-29 Thread Guillem Jover
Hi! On Tue, 2012-08-28 at 12:10:18 +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > In DebConf12, I talked about xz compression for Debian packages(*). > Now I'll talk about next step, suggestion for use xz with with result > from some experiment. > ---

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-28 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:56:47PM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote: > Before wondering whether PNG files should have an additional > compression level, is there any reason why a better PNG compression > isn't used in the first place? For instance, "optipng -o9" tries > various parameters and keeps the

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-28 Thread Riku Voipio
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:10:18PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > -- > conclusion (rest) > -- > I recommend to use xz ***by default*** (with approp

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-28 Thread Vincent Lefevre
On 2012-08-28 12:05:26 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote: > On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:10:18PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > > We know some packages are better to use gzip, but it's an > > exception. Using xz is best choice for rest 99.99% of packages. > > We can deal with such exception by specifying

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-28 Thread Bastian Blank
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:10:18PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > We know some packages are better to use gzip, but it's an exception. Using xz > is best choice for rest 99.99% of packages. We can deal with such exception > by specifying gzip for that (e.g. openclipart-png). Or even no compressi

Re: [proposal] use xz compression for Debian package by default

2012-08-28 Thread Adam Borowski
On Tue, Aug 28, 2012 at 12:10:18PM +0900, Hideki Yamane wrote: > In DebConf12, I talked about xz compression for Debian packages(*). > Now I'll talk about next step, suggestion for use xz with with result > from some experiment. >