Le lundi, 27 août 2012 19.21:22, Andrew Shadura a écrit :
> Hello,
>
> (As a Tcler I have to comment on this.)
> On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:36:43 +0200 Didier Raboud wrote:
(Do you really have to comment on a 10-months old dead thread?)
> > 1) "Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreter
On Mon, Aug 27, 2012 at 07:21:22PM +0200, Andrew Shadura wrote:
> > 3) "Embed jimtcl using the internal copy"
> > This means taking the upstream tarball as is.
> > Pros: small standalone -dispatcher binary.
> > Cons: code duplication, potential security issues with
> > out-of-date jimt
Hello,
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 10:59:36 -0400
Mathieu Trudel-Lapierre wrote:
> It also doesn't solve a second case we're trying to cover: the fact
> that usb-modeswitch would be the only package in the boot path on
> *Ubuntu* that would rely on Tcl. That's another reason why a compiled
> language wa
Hello,
(As a Tcler I have to comment on this.)
On Tue, 18 Oct 2011 13:36:43 +0200
Didier Raboud wrote:
> 1) "Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreters"
> This is mostly "repacking to avoid the embedded jimtcl copy", "no
> packaging of it, go on as is done currently; by rel
On jeu., 2011-10-20 at 18:58 +1100, Russell Coker wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> > Actually, I already know a lot of people whose only desktop machine
> > network connection is a 3G dongle, since unlimited data with it is
> > about half the price of ADSL connection.
>
> My pa
On Thu, 20 Oct 2011, Timo Jyrinki wrote:
> Actually, I already know a lot of people whose only desktop machine
> network connection is a 3G dongle, since unlimited data with it is
> about half the price of ADSL connection.
My parents have been using USB 3G net access on their Desktop system for a
2011/10/18 Yves-Alexis Perez :
> Not sure it'd help in this case but imho this is the case only on
> laptops. People installing desktop usually don't need a 3G modem (and if
> they do, they can manually install it). I'm not even sure
> network-manager is needed on the desktop install, but eh.
Actu
Hello,
On Wed, Oct 19, 2011 at 01:48:17PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote:
> Virtual machine networking works just fine for me with virt-manager and
> network-manager.
As far as I know not (fully) for the bridged setup [0]: NM recognized
the bridge, but since it doesn't have a "link status" [1], VPNs
On Wed, 2011-10-19 at 11:22 +0200, Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 06:46:26PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
> > Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 :
> > > I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
> > > but eh.
> >
> > $ LANG=C aptitude why network-man
Hi all again,
first of all, thanks for the healthy discussion.
Now, given the feedback, I plan to go with the brand new option 6 which is an
option 2, "done right" (eh, IMHO).
6) "Allow interpretation using separate libjim, from jimtcl"
This means packaging jimtcl and allow the usb-modeswi
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 06:46:26PM +0200, Roland Mas wrote:
> Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 :
> > I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
> > but eh.
>
> $ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
> i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (>= 0
* Roland Mas [2011-10-18 18:46]:
> > I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
> > but eh.
>
> $ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
> i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (>= 0.8.999)
> i A network-manager-gnome Depends network-manager (>= 0.9)
Am 18.10.2011 21:16, schrieb Tollef Fog Heen:
> ]] Didier Raboud
> |
> | usb-modeswitch being mostly useful for 3G USB dongles, I don't understand
> | where you want the s/Recommends/Suggests/.
>
> modemmanager shouldn't recommend usb-modeswitch, but suggest it.
>
The problem then is, that u
]] Didier Raboud
| Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
|
| > ]] Didier Raboud
| >
| > | network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
| >
| > This sounds like the bug, then. Recommends is «The Recommends field
| > should list packages that would be found together with this one in all
Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> ]] Didier Raboud
>
> | network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
>
> This sounds like the bug, then. Recommends is «The Recommends field
> should list packages that would be found together with this one in all
> but unusual installations.» and I
Am Dienstag, 18. Oktober 2011, 17:03:02 schrieb Ian Jackson:
> Timo Juhani Lindfors writes ("Re: RFC: usb-modeswitch 1.2.0 release
embedding jimtcl"):
> > Didier Raboud writes:
> > > Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to
> >
]] Didier Raboud
| network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
This sounds like the bug, then. Recommends is «The Recommends field
should list packages that would be found together with this one in all
but unusual installations.» and I belive that the use of NM/MM with
a
Yves-Alexis Perez, 2011-10-18 18:35:04 +0200 :
[...]
> I'm not even sure network-manager is needed on the desktop install,
> but eh.
$ LANG=C aptitude why network-manager
i gnome-coreDepends network-manager-gnome (>= 0.8.999)
i A network-manager-gnome Depends network-manager (>= 0.
On mar., 2011-10-18 at 15:55 +0200, Didier Raboud wrote:
> Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> > Drop usb-modeswitch completely from the default desktop install?
>
> network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
>
> network-manager wants modemmanager to handle "mobile network modems".
The size issue was brought up by the Ubuntu people IIRC in the context of
their Live CD which should include usb_modeswitch.
To clear up my position regarding some of the other points mentioned:
* The upstream source package will offer two easy ways of installation
(covering 1 2 3). The choice
Ian Jackson writes:
>> The modemmanager package that people typically use with USB 3G modems is
>> already in CD#5.
>
> Isn't that already a problem ?
It is, I just tried to illustrate how bad the situation currently is:
http://lists.debian.org/debian-boot/2011/08/msg00349.html
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Timo Juhani Lindfors writes ("Re: RFC: usb-modeswitch 1.2.0 release embedding
jimtcl"):
> Didier Raboud writes:
> > Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to avoid
> > having a tcl interpreter pulled up to first CDs;
>
>
On Tue, Oct 18, 2011 at 7:36 AM, Didier Raboud wrote:
[...]
> == Propositions ==
>
> So in order to solve this smartly, I think there are basically 5
> possibilities:
>
> 1) "Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreters"
>
> This is mostly "repacking to avoid the embedded jimtcl copy"
Didier Raboud writes:
> Let's also note as context that the goal of this trick (AFAIUI) is to avoid
> having a tcl interpreter pulled up to first CDs;
The modemmanager package that people typically use with USB 3G modems is
already in CD#5.
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Hi!
On 10/18/2011 01:36 PM, Didier Raboud wrote:
> 1) "Forget about jimtcl, rely on existing tcl interpreters"
>
> This is mostly "repacking to avoid the embedded jimtcl copy", "no
> packaging of it, go on as is done currently; by relying on existing tcl
> interpreters.
> Pros: ea
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote:
> Drop usb-modeswitch completely from the default desktop install?
network-manager recommends modemmanager recommends usb-modeswitch.
network-manager wants modemmanager to handle "mobile network modems".
modemmanager wants usb-modeswitch because most "mobile network modem
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Oct 18, Didier Raboud wrote:
>
>> Cons: does not solve the "desktop install needs tcl interpreter".
> Is this actually a problem? TCL is < 2 MB, how big is jimtcl?
jimsh is 240k.
usb-modeswitch-dispatcher compiled with its embedded jimtcl interpreter
(that is, wit
On mar., 2011-10-18 at 13:36 +0200, Didier Raboud wrote:
> What's your opinion ?
Drop usb-modeswitch completely from the default desktop install?
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On Oct 18, Didier Raboud wrote:
> Cons: does not solve the "desktop install needs tcl interpreter".
Is this actually a problem? TCL is < 2 MB, how big is jimtcl?
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Hi all,
while upgrading the usb-modeswitch package to 1.2.0 [0] (currently in "beta"),
I noticed that it is now embedding the "jimtcl" interpreter [1]: at build-
time, the usb-modeswitch "dispatcher" (currently written in Tcl), can now be
embedded in a binary that contains: a tailored jimtcl int
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