* "Daniel" == Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Daniel> Also, it might be intriguing to (ab)use the VFS support in
Daniel> these programs to convert them into Apt frontends. I'm not
Daniel> sure how far you could go, but it would be interesting to see
Daniel> if it worked.
Check
cd #ap
Seth Cohn wrote :
> On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote:
> > - webmin: I think it is useful (and nice) not to have to launch mozilla
> >to add an user or change a password.
> Excuse me? if you don't want to launch a browser (and NOT mozilla thank
> you... ANY browser, even lynx will (m
At 10:13 PM 09/07/2000 +, you wrote:
I don't object to a web-browser, personally. I do object to having to
install and configure a Web server (!!) to set up the machine, for the same
reason I object to needing a Web server to view documentation (eg, doc-central
depends on apache).
Webmin has
On Thu, Sep 07, 2000 at 01:06:59AM +0200, Frederic Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
> - webmin: I think it is useful (and nice) not to have to launch mozilla
>to add an user or change a password.
I don't object to a web-browser, personally. I do object to having to
install and
> This is good for Debian, since we want something cross-platform, and
> possibly even cross-kernel (Hurd, anyone?). Adding a network config for
> Debian,
Rene Mayrhofer said he was making a start on this. He's away for a few
weeks, when he gets back, I'll find out how far he's come.
> a dpkg/a
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Nate Duehr wrote:
> Linuxconf is very broken (and it's documented in the Readme's provided
> with the .deb) on Debian, and it mangles perfectly good config files
> into nasty-looking ones that sysadmins who prefer vi usually dislike
> reading.
Another point in webmin's favor.
Frederic,
I think that easier config is a worthy goal. I have long mused about how
to teach a single tool about the myriad config files. But I'm too lazy to
actually write one.
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote:
> Seth Cohn wrote :
> > >So, yes, why reinvent the wheel, if there are all
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 06:59:57PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote:
>
> Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina wrote :
> > We can fill automagically some of these values. If a user types in
> > "192.168.1.15" as IP, and the interface is eth*, we can figure out that
> > the gateway will be 192.168.1.1, and cl
On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 12:40:19PM +0200, T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote:
> So why not linuxconf? AFAIK it's the most powerful conftool around and
> there's *even* a .deb version of it. Further on it's pretty trivial to
> write modules for it and once done you can interface to the conftool
> through
On Wed, 6 Sep 2000, Seth Cohn wrote:
> If you haven't tried webmin, please do. http://www.webmin.com
> Last time I looked, webmin packages were sitting in incoming, but rejected
> due to the ssl option (Jaldhar wanted it in main, and James bounced it
> over the ssl linking). The deb installed fi
On Thu, 7 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote:
> > Agreed. If you want to do something USEFUL, write a better webmin, debconf
> > or linuxconf module.
> - webmin: I think it is useful (and nice) not to have to launch mozilla
>to add an user or change a password.
Excuse me? if you don't want to
Frederic Peters ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> - debconf: dpkg-reconfigure users ? debconf is there to configure
>applications and I don't want to replace it at all. It is just not
>suited for some tasks
agreed, but effort should be made to keep the interface consistent between
GUI admin to
Seth Cohn wrote :
> >So, yes, why reinvent the wheel, if there are allready n^x conftools
> >around with a new one popping up monthly (webmin, COAS, linuxconf,
> >debconf, yast, ..., ..., ...) ? It's not going to make anything
> >easier.
> Agreed. If you want to do something USEFUL, write a bette
On Sep 06, "T.Pospisek's MailLists" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>So why not linuxconf? AFAIK it's the most powerful conftool around and
Because it sucks, is insecure and is buggy as hell.
Looks like three good reasons, to me.
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On Wed, Sep 06, 2000 at 07:20:54PM +0200, Frederic Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
>
> Daniel Burrows wrote :
> > I've been thinking along these lines too, but didn't want to mention it as
> > I'm not likely to be able to help implement it. I'm thinking in terms of
> > something s
So, yes, why reinvent the wheel, if there are allready n^x conftools
around with a new one popping up monthly (webmin, COAS, linuxconf,
debconf, yast, ..., ..., ...) ? It's not going to make anything
easier.
Agreed. If you want to do something USEFUL, write a better webmin, debconf
or linuxconf m
Daniel Burrows wrote :
> I've been thinking along these lines too, but didn't want to mention it as
> I'm not likely to be able to help implement it. I'm thinking in terms of
> something slightly simpler, though: just the stuff a "normal" user (whatever
> that means) would need to set up and pe
Jules Bean wrote :
> On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:24:28PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote:
> > So I drew the conclusion that what Debian needs for those users is simple
> > GUI tools. [some will respond here with "we don't want those users" and I
> > won't agree. This flamewar already happened. GUI too
T.Pospisek's MailLists wrote :
> So why not linuxconf? AFAIK it's the most powerful conftool around and
> there's *even* a .deb version of it. Further on it's pretty trivial to
> write modules for it and once done you can interface to the conftool
> through the command line, the web, textinterface
John Goerzen wrote :
> > I started coding proof of concepts thingies; they should be in my home
> > directory on master (~fpeters/, is this accessible from http ?) soon.
> > There is also a screenshot at
> > http://gaby.netpedia.net/pics/Screenshot_GUI_tools.jpeg
> I think the best would be to mak
Ricardo Javier Cardenes Medina wrote :
> We can fill automagically some of these values. If a user types in
> "192.168.1.15" as IP, and the interface is eth*, we can figure out that
> the gateway will be 192.168.1.1, and class C (255.255.255.0).
>
> The user will be able to modify those values as
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:08:17PM -0400, Jacob Kuntz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was
heard to say:
> Daniel Burrows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Erm, how many 'newbies' are going to know what a class A vs class C
> > network
> > is, or what a "gateway" is, versus the number who'll freak out and run
On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Frederic Peters wrote:
> don't have tested yet. It would be a good idea to avoid duplicated work.
So why not linuxconf? AFAIK it's the most powerful conftool around and
there's *even* a .deb version of it. Further on it's pretty trivial to
write modules for it and once done yo
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 11:08:17PM -0400, Jacob Kuntz wrote:
> ok, now i hate seeing free apps/desktop systems that just copy windows, and
> i dislike even more the idea that windows is a good standard to follow, but
> i do have to disagree with you on this point.
>
> [...]
>
> as far as the netwo
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:24:28PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote:
> So I drew the conclusion that what Debian needs for those users is simple
> GUI tools. [some will respond here with "we don't want those users" and I
> won't agree. This flamewar already happened. GUI tools doesn't mean you
> have
Daniel Burrows ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> Erm, how many 'newbies' are going to know what a class A vs class C network
> is, or what a "gateway" is, versus the number who'll freak out and run in
> terror?
ok, now i hate seeing free apps/desktop systems that just copy windows, and
i dislike even
Frederic Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> I started coding proof of concepts thingies; they should be in my home
> directory on master (~fpeters/, is this accessible from http ?) soon.
> There is also a screenshot at
> http://gaby.netpedia.net/pics/Screenshot_GUI_tools.jpeg
I think the best w
Daniel Burrows <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I think it would also be interesting to integrate this into Nautilus (the
>new Gnome filemanager) and (now that KDE is finally legal) Konquerer.
>
> You could certainly display some package info this way -- in particular,
>being able to display (in the
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 09:26:57PM +0200, Karsten Tinnefeld <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
> > So we'd have GUI tools for:
> > - /etc/network/interfaces
>
> > http://gaby.netpedia.net/pics/Screenshot_GUI_tools.jpeg
>
> Looks very nice, but at the moment there is just looks without any
>
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 03:16:26PM -0400, Matt Zimmerman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
> - package information queries (a la apt-cache)...maybe this should be
> integrated with a GUI package manager frontend (is gnome-apt still alive?)
I think it would also be interesting to integrate
> So we'd have GUI tools for:
> - /etc/network/interfaces
> http://gaby.netpedia.net/pics/Screenshot_GUI_tools.jpeg
Looks very nice, but at the moment there is just looks without any
intellicence. If having some gui it should transparently (display
resulting configurations) provice choices lik
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:24:28PM +0200, Frederic Peters wrote:
> GUI tools. [some will respond here with "we don't want those users" and I
> won't agree. This flamewar already happened. GUI tools doesn't mean you
> have to use them. blah blah blah.]
>
> Something else we'd need is an option in
On Tue, Sep 05, 2000 at 06:24:28PM +0200, Frederic Peters <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
was heard to say:
[anecdote snipped]
> So I drew the conclusion that what Debian needs for those users is simple
> GUI tools. [some will respond here with "we don't want those users" and I
> won't agree. This flamewa
> I started coding proof of concepts thingies; they should be in my home
> directory on master (~fpeters/, is this accessible from http ?) soon.
Also available on http://va.debian.org/~fpeters/
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Hi,
The holidays are now over and I spent them showing GNU/Linux systems
to NT administrators. Some were as dumb as my old VT320 terminal but
most were interested. I showed Debian but also other distributions
(that I installed for the first time in most cases) and I have to say
that Debian was not
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