Re: rfc1149

2001-05-07 Thread Oliver Elphick
Hilko Bengen wrote: >[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > >> No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave >> droppings on my car. > >You mean packet loss? I think it's network overhead. -- Oliver Elphick[EMAIL PROT

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-07 Thread Andreas Fuchs
Today, Hilko Bengen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave >> droppings on my car. > You mean packet loss? ITYM "log entries" as defined in RFC2549. -- Andreas Fuchs, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, antifuchs Hail RMS! Hail Cth

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-07 Thread Hilko Bengen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Thomas Bushnell, BSG) writes: > No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave > droppings on my car. You mean packet loss? -Hilko

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-05 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Wichert Akkerman | Previously Hamish Moffatt wrote: | > There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC | > described transmission of electricity over IP. | | Probably because noone implemented RFC2549 yet: IP over Avian Carriers | with Quality of Service. Unfortunately there

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-05 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Hamish Moffatt wrote: > There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC > described transmission of electricity over IP. Probably because noone implemented RFC2549 yet: IP over Avian Carriers with Quality of Service. Unfortunately there still is ongoing litigation about

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-05 Thread Wichert Akkerman
Previously Christoph Simon wrote: > The german expression has a somewhat special history. Germanic at least, possible even older (considering Dutch has the exact some meaning). Wichert. -- _ / Nothing is fool-proof to a su

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-04 Thread Thomas Bushnell, BSG
Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Pigeons *are* doves. What you think of as pigeons are probably rock doves. No, no. Pigeons are ugly horrid things that infest cities and leave droppings on my car. They are best known as "rats with wings". With appropriate adjectives, pigeons are cool.

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-04 Thread Rob Mahurin
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:55PM +0100, Paul Martin wrote: > Now, a problem arises if we are to package the common denominator "dove" > or to provide separate packages optimised for various types of racing > pigeons. Anyone who wants to squeeze an extra 10% increase in performance can spend five

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-04 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Christoph Simon (please get a proper sig delimiter) | The german expression has a somewhat special history. Some centuries | ago, a person could be declared to be "vogelfrei", as free as a bird, | but in a not so romantic sense, as he would find himself disprovided | of any kind of legal prote

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Carlos Laviola
On 04-May-2001 Christoph Simon wrote: > On Thu, 03 May 2001 22:34:20 -0300 (BRT) > Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: >> > Adam Heath schrieb: >> >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in >> >> main. >> > >> > Copyri

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Christoph Simon
On Thu, 03 May 2001 22:34:20 -0300 (BRT) Carlos Laviola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: > > Adam Heath schrieb: > >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main. > > > > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* > > German? Worldw

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Carlos Laviola
On 03-May-2001 Arthur Korn wrote: > Adam Heath schrieb: >> Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main. > > Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* German? Worldwide, AFAICT. (At least in Brazil, and most other countries, a white pigeon is a symbol of freedom an

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 02:09:55PM +0100, Paul Martin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> was heard to say: > Rumours have it that Microsoft are going to embrace and extend this > protocol using battery hens, with the "enterprise" version using > roosters. Nah, I think they'll just hire some falconers. Dani

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Paul Martin
On Thu, May 03, 2001 at 05:04:06PM +1000, Sam Couter wrote: > > Taxonomically, pigeons and doves are the same. > Both are members of the order Columbiformes, family Columbidae. The term dove > is generally used for smaller species with pointed tails. "Pigeon" refers to > the > larger species with

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Tollef Fog Heen
* Daniel Burrows | Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a | Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a | way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) I just talked with the guy who did most of the work on IRC and he is (probably) going to

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. See There's a lot more interesting ones than that. Last year, an RFC described transmission of electricity over IP. I like the one which descri

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Arthur Korn
Adam Heath schrieb: > Um, "Free as a Bird" is a song, and copyrighted, so they can't go in main. Copyrighting old german proverbs? *shudder* ciao, 2ri -- "Never" is almost always earlier than you think.

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Sam Couter
Evan Prodromou <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Obviously, if doves were used, both pigeons and doves would have to > provide the pseudo-package "avian-packet-carrier" and the installer > package would need to update-alternatives as appropriate. Pigeons *are* doves. What you think of as pigeons ar

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Alexander Hvostov
On Thu, 3 May 2001 16:56:08 +1000 Sam Couter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree > > directly. > > But what about now that we have pools? Will they drown? Being birds, I assume they would

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-03 Thread Sam Couter
Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > No need to create a section for them. Birds can sit on the tree > directly. But what about now that we have pools? Will they drown? -- Sam Couter | Internet Engineer | http://www.topic.com.au/ [EMAIL PROTECTED]| tSA Consulting

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Adam Heath
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > > > Have

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Evan Prodromou
> "JHV" == Jaldhar H Vyas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think >> maybe a Debian package would have to go into contrib though, >> unless you can find a way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) JHV> Haven't you heard the expr

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 06:20:30PM -0400, Jaldhar H. Vyas wrote: > On Wed, 2 May 2001, Daniel Burrows wrote: > > > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > > way to squeeze pigeons into a

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Paul Martin
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 05:07:36PM -0400, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > Hmm.."Depends: pigeons (>= 200lb)" O

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Jaldhar H. Vyas
On Wed, 2 May 2001, Daniel Burrows wrote: > Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > Haven't you heard the expression "free as a bird"? Pigeons be

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 02-May-2001 Marcin Owsiany wrote: > On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >> 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using >> pigeons. > > African or European? > pidgeon, not swallow (-:

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Marcin Owsiany
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. African or European? Marcin -- Marcin Owsiany <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> http://student.uci.agh.edu.pl/~porridge/ GnuPG: 1024D/60F41216 FE67 DA2D 0A

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
> Actually, I think it has been implemented recently. I think maybe a > Debian package would have to go into contrib though, unless you can find a > way to squeeze pigeons into a .deb ;-) > > Hmm.."Depends: pigeons (>= 200lb)" > Why? We do not have 'Depends: CAT5 (<< 30m)'.

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Nathan E Norman
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:40:23PM +0100, Oliver Elphick wrote: > [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > >11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > >pigeons. See > > > >http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > > > >Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protoc

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Daniel Burrows
On Wed, May 02, 2001 at 09:50:01PM +0200, [EMAIL PROTECTED] was heard to say: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. See > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > > Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. It would be nice to > make

Re: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Oliver Elphick
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: >11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using >pigeons. See > >http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > >Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. It's just been done; see the latest issue of the Jargon file, Appendix A.

RE: rfc1149

2001-05-02 Thread Sean 'Shaleh' Perry
On 02-May-2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > 11 years ago IETF described a IP protocol to transport IP datagrams using > pigeons. See > > http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1149.txt > > Sadly enough, noone has still implemented this protocol. It would be nice to > make a debian-package of it. Anyone intere