Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-13 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hello fellow developers, On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 07:37:32AM +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > how about libc6-dev stops depending on libcrypt-dev? with minor disagreement in details, I have received much positive feedback and therefore moved forward. > So far so good. That's 1 + 95 + 11 + 1 = 108 so

Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-10 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Hi, On 2025-04-10 07:37, Helmut Grohne wrote: > Hello fellow developers, [ Snip ] > Question 1: Do you see important aspects missed in this analysis? No > Question 2: Do you agree that this change is worth the effort? I don't know. I do not see a huge benefit from the glibc point of view, bu

Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-10 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hi Marco, On Thu, Apr 10, 2025 at 11:01:24AM +0200, Marco d'Itri wrote: > On Apr 10, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > how about libc6-dev stops depending on libcrypt-dev? > Sure. Thanks for the feedback. > > material of course. Also libc6-dev would still "Recommends: > > libcrypt-dev", but libcrypt-de

Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-10 Thread gregor herrmann
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 07:37:32 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: I sorted those logs and you may now find them at https://people.debian.org/~helmutg/glibc-no-crypt/logs/. Thanks. Beyond that, 11 packages build a perl extension module for testing purposes and therefore need "Build-Depends: perl-xs-de

Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-10 Thread Santiago Vila
[ Thanks for this. Awesome work! ] El 10/4/25 a las 11:43, Helmut Grohne escribió: My thinking here was to reduce the annoyance for users by degrading the dependency softly. I was told that some users expect to be able to build perl extensions without installing libperl-dev (which is why libperl

Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-10 Thread Marco d'Itri
On Apr 10, Helmut Grohne wrote: how about libc6-dev stops depending on libcrypt-dev? Sure. material of course. Also libc6-dev would still "Recommends: libcrypt-dev", but libcrypt-dev would no longer be build-essential. What purpose would this Recommends solve? Assuming "no" and "yes" as a

Re: Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-10 Thread Simon McVittie
On Thu, 10 Apr 2025 at 07:37:32 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: how about libc6-dev stops depending on libcrypt-dev? I think this is a good idea for early in the forky cycle. I also investigated all apt-cache rdepends libcrypt1. That results in 151 source packages. ... * steam-installer This

Proposal: drop libcrypt-dev dependency from libc6-dev

2025-04-09 Thread Helmut Grohne
Hello fellow developers, how about libc6-dev stops depending on libcrypt-dev? I mean for real. We cannot do it right away. The proposal is forky material of course. Also libc6-dev would still "Recommends: libcrypt-dev", but libcrypt-dev would no longer be build-essential. The obvious "why" que