Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-02 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 07:58:29AM +, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Bart Samwel wrote: > > Hmmm. I'd require a sponsor for that, as I'm not a DD. Raphael, would you > > mind sponsoring? > > Yeah, I can. And you could most probably quickly become "DM" for those > packages given

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Tim Dijkstra
On Thu, 1 Nov 2007 09:11:33 +0100 Raphael Hertzog <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Michael Biebl wrote: > > Given that acpi-support is going to be deprecated in favor of > > pm-utils/hal [1] I'd rather see acpi-support removed from the > > laptop-task completely. > > [1] https://w

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Frans Pop
Bart Samwel wrote: > 2. What we may actually require is a detection system which triggers the > installation of packages at installation time, based on hardware > detection. You should contact Petter Reinholdtsen, who has been working on a new life for the package discover to do exactly that. He

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Petter Reinholdtsen
[Bart Samwel] > 2. What we may actually require is a detection system which triggers > the installation of packages at installation time, based on hardware > detection. The discover package got the script discover-pkginstall which will do this. I've added mapping from hardware to packages for a

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Ben Goodger
On 31/10/2007, Steve Greenland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On 31-Oct-07, 12:39 (CDT), Ben Goodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > libvncserver has dropped out of use and been replaced by vlc. > > Huh? VNC != VLC. Oh yes, misread the N. Whoops. -- Benjamin F. Goodger ~ design and ideas lab ~

Re: Use of ttf-thryomanes for Greek/Cyrillic/Hungarian (was: Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users?)

2007-11-01 Thread Konstantinos Margaritis
On Thursday 01 November 2007 10:19, Christian Perrier wrote: > IMHO, even if I did not check this, the ttf-dejavu font(s) cover > these languages pretty well. So, the font is maybe not very much > relevant for being installed by default. Hi Christian, FWIW, greek is ok with the current set of fon

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 03:54:44AM +0100, Bart Samwel wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: > >Bart Samwel wrote: > >>3. Regarding the toshset package: I have a working Toshiba Tecra 8200, > >>one of the models covered by toshset. I may be biased, but as far as I'm > >>concerned the stuff is still useful. :-)

Use of ttf-thryomanes for Greek/Cyrillic/Hungarian (was: Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users?)

2007-11-01 Thread Christian Perrier
(beware: wide crosspost. Please turn your brain ON to decide where you want to reply... :-))) Quoting Cyril Brulebois ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (31/10/2007): > > Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some > > u

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-11-01 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Michael Biebl wrote: > Given that acpi-support is going to be deprecated in favor of > pm-utils/hal [1] I'd rather see acpi-support removed from the > laptop-task completely. > [1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PMUtilsSpec I'm all for this if this is possible. acpi-support has alway

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Thu, 01 Nov 2007, Bart Samwel wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: >> Bart Samwel wrote: >>> 3. Regarding the toshset package: I have a working Toshiba Tecra 8200, >>> one of the models covered by toshset. I may be biased, but as far as I'm >>> concerned the stuff is still useful. :-) >> Please do adopt th

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Joey Hess
Bart Samwel wrote: > I wouldn't mind having the packages installed in the laptop task if that > fixes it. However, the laptop task currently uses the task-fields method, > which AFAICT means that the dependent packages should list themselves as > being part of the laptop task, something that wil

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Michael Biebl
Bart Samwel schrieb: > Joey Hess wrote: >> Raphael Hertzog wrote: >>> The problem is not so much on manually installed package but on initial >>> installation. I'm not sure what would get installed via the laptop >>> task if >>> we made that a Recommends... >> >> d-i can't afford to install recomme

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bart Samwel
Joey Hess wrote: Raphael Hertzog wrote: The problem is not so much on manually installed package but on initial installation. I'm not sure what would get installed via the laptop task if we made that a Recommends... d-i can't afford to install recommends by default (best way to change that is

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bart Samwel
Luk Claes wrote: Bart Samwel wrote: 3. Regarding the toshset package: I have a working Toshiba Tecra 8200, one of the models covered by toshset. I may be biased, but as far as I'm concerned the stuff is still useful. :-) Please do adopt the toshutils and toshset packages so people don't need t

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Joey Hess
Josselin Mouette wrote: > You may be interested to learn that we plan to downgrade a number of > dependencies of the gnome metapackages to Recommends. > > If this means tracking them later on to be sure that everything needed > is installed, maybe we need a way to improve the coordination between

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 31 octobre 2007 à 18:05 -0400, Joey Hess a écrit : > d-i can't afford to install recommends by default (best way to change > that is to make all uses of recommends sane to be installed by default). > > So the laptop task would need to track and list the recommends. Doing > something sm

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 12:45:29AM +0100, Frank S. Thomas wrote: > Hi, > > On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Luk Claes wrote: > > Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some > > users. It would be great if people could adopt packages that are

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Frank S. Thomas
Hi, On Wednesday 31 October 2007, Luk Claes wrote: > Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some > users. It would be great if people could adopt packages that are still > usefull and give alternatives and/or migration plans for packages that > are r

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Ben Goodger wrote: > On 31/10/2007, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> http://packages.qa.debian.org/libg/libglade.html >> http://packages.qa.debian.org/libv/libvncserver.html > > > AFAIK these are unofficially or officially deprecated: > libglade is now replaced by something nearly identica

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Thomas Viehmann wrote: > Luk Claes wrote: >> http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/autobook.html > Based on the submitter's observation in #328219, maybe we should remove > autobook? > If it's non-free and increasingly outdated and doesn't have anone > wanting to maintain it, we might as well stop distri

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Bart Samwel wrote: > tag 438665 wontfix > merge 438665 445900 > thanks > > Clint Adams wrote: >> reopen 438665 >> quit >> >> On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: >>> That sounds like the Dependens should be a Recommends, if so please file >>> a bug for it. >> >> It doesn't lo

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Steve Langasek
On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 05:39:38PM +, Ben Goodger wrote: > libvncserver has dropped out of use and been replaced by vlc. I somehow don't think it's likely for a remote desktop server to have been replaced by a media player? -- Steve Langasek Give me a lever long enough and

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Joey Hess
Raphael Hertzog wrote: > The problem is not so much on manually installed package but on initial > installation. I'm not sure what would get installed via the laptop task if > we made that a Recommends... d-i can't afford to install recommends by default (best way to change that is to make all use

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Adeodato Simó wrote: > * Bart Samwel [Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:32:57 +0100]: > > Hello Bart. While I understand your reasoning, it may be now the time to > revisit it: > > > or Recommends which > > behaves exactly like Depends (like some package managers treat Recommends, > > bu

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Adeodato Simó
* Bart Samwel [Wed, 31 Oct 2007 21:32:57 +0100]: Hello Bart. While I understand your reasoning, it may be now the time to revisit it: > or Recommends which > behaves exactly like Depends (like some package managers treat Recommends, > but not all), As announced in [1] and can be seen in [2], a

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Thomas Viehmann
Luk Claes wrote: > http://packages.qa.debian.org/a/autobook.html Based on the submitter's observation in #328219, maybe we should remove autobook? If it's non-free and increasingly outdated and doesn't have anone wanting to maintain it, we might as well stop distributing it. Kind regards T. --

Re: Bug#438665: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bart Samwel
tag 438665 wontfix merge 438665 445900 thanks Clint Adams wrote: reopen 438665 quit On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: That sounds like the Dependens should be a Recommends, if so please file a bug for it. It doesn't look like #438665 was actually fixed. OK, then I

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Daniel Baumann
Luk Claes wrote: > Yes, but this source package also builds audacious-crossfade which > probably should stay? I'll do a qa upload as we speak, removing the xmms package. One less to bother for the upcoming removal... -- Address:Daniel Baumann, Burgunderstrasse 3, CH-4562 Biberist Email:

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Steve Greenland
On 31-Oct-07, 12:39 (CDT), Ben Goodger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > libvncserver has dropped out of use and been replaced by vlc. Huh? VNC != VLC. Steve -- Steve Greenland The irony is that Bill Gates claims to be making a stable operating system and Linus Torvalds claims to be trying

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Adam Cécile (Le_Vert)
Cyril Brulebois a écrit : > Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (31/10/2007): > >> Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> >> http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms-crossfade.html >>> If I remember right gtk-1 is supposed to be removed from lenny, so >>> xmms will be gone, too. >>> >> Yes

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Roberto C . Sánchez
On Thu, Nov 01, 2007 at 01:37:38AM +0900, Michal Čihař wrote: > Hi > > Dne Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:24 +0100 > Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napsal(a): > > > Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some > > users. It would be great i

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (31/10/2007): > Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some > users. It would be great if people could adopt packages that are still > usefull and give alternatives and/or migration plans for packages that > are rather

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Ben Goodger
On 31/10/2007, Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > http://packages.qa.debian.org/libg/libglade.html > http://packages.qa.debian.org/libv/libvncserver.html AFAIK these are unofficially or officially deprecated: libglade is now replaced by something nearly identical or perhaps merely renamed a

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Cyril Brulebois
Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> (31/10/2007): > Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > > >> http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms-crossfade.html > > > > If I remember right gtk-1 is supposed to be removed from lenny, so > > xmms will be gone, too. > > Yes, but this source package also builds audacious-crossfade wh

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Clint Adams
reopen 438665 quit On Wed, Oct 31, 2007 at 06:22:11PM +0100, Luk Claes wrote: > That sounds like the Dependens should be a Recommends, if so please file > a bug for it. It doesn't look like #438665 was actually fixed. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Michal Čihař wrote: > Hi > > Dne Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:24 +0100 > Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napsal(a): > >> Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some >> users. It would be great if people could adopt packages that are still

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Bernd Zeimetz wrote: >> http://packages.qa.debian.org/x/xmms-crossfade.html > > If I remember right gtk-1 is supposed to be removed from lenny, so xmms > will be gone, too. Yes, but this source package also builds audacious-crossfade which probably should stay? Cheers Luk -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
Hi, > http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/python-gnome.html python-gnome only useful for gnome 1. It could (should?) be replaced by a pseudo package which transitions to python-gnome2 probably, or just be removed from Debian. > http://packages.qa.debian.org/p/pyzor.html Imho there're better ways t

Re: Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Michal Čihař
Hi Dne Wed, 31 Oct 2007 17:21:24 +0100 Luk Claes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> napsal(a): > Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some > users. It would be great if people could adopt packages that are still > usefull and give alternatives and/or migratio

Orphaned packages with quite some users

2007-10-31 Thread Luk Claes
Hi Below you'll find a list of longtime orphaned packages with quite some users. It would be great if people could adopt packages that are still usefull and give alternatives and/or migration plans for packages that are rather obsolete or not really usefull anymore. Cheers Luk