Quoting "cobaco (aka Bart Cornelis)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> So saying translators do it purely, or even mainly, for themselves is doing
> debian translators in general a disservice IMHO
Dang, everyone is looking for stuff to criticize something today...
But fine.. There ARE exeptions to any rul
Quoting [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
> On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:46:40PM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
>> Quoting Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>>
>> > I'm not convinced at all that *funding* a manager would do any good to
>> > the project.
>>
>> If we already had a _good_ project manager in ou
On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:46:40PM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> Quoting Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > I'm not convinced at all that *funding* a manager would do any good to
> > the project.
>
> If we already had a _good_ project manager in our ranks, don't you think
> they/he/s
On Monday 05 March 2007, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> (exept maybe translators, but they don't do it for the project, they do it
> for them selfs - which is a GOOD thing!
The mere fact that you're able to translate kinda excludes you needing the
translation in the first place (e.g. I translate cau
Quoting Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I'm not convinced at all that *funding* a manager would do any good to
> the project.
If we already had a _good_ project manager in our ranks, don't you think
they/he/she would have stepped up already? THAT'S why I think paying for
one might help...
On Fri, Mar 02, 2007 at 05:58:58PM -0600, Peter Samuelson wrote:
>
> [Roberto C. Sanchez]
> > I am not advocating having a manager without technical competency or
> > the ability to understand technical issues. Just that being a
> > manager does not require being a fourth-degree blackbelt in Perl
[Roberto C. Sanchez]
> I am not advocating having a manager without technical competency or
> the ability to understand technical issues. Just that being a
> manager does not require being a fourth-degree blackbelt in Perl or
> having written a textbook on C++ programming.
And you think the curr
Hi,
On Thursday 01 March 2007 22:28, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> First, please keep your bullshit about dunc-tank outside this otherwise
> interesting discussion.
be liberal what you accept, and conservative what you send?
regards,
Holger
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On Thu, 01 Mar 2007, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> That, I fully agree with. I also had the chance to see a good project
> manager in action, and that makes a huge difference.
>
> I'm not convinced at all that *funding* a manager would do any good to
> the project. Which is why I'm wondering if there
First, please keep your bullshit about dunc-tank outside this otherwise
interesting discussion.
Le jeudi 01 mars 2007 à 16:18 -0500, Theodore Tso a écrit :
> The harder problem, though is that finding a really good project
> manager. In my day job, I can tell you have as a technical architect,
>
On 2007-03-01, Theodore Tso <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> A third party organization, dunc-tank, which included a number of
> prominent Debian Developers, including AJ, did pay for two of the
How can it be a third party organization if it is launched by the DPL
_as_ DPL ?
(Source: AJs DPL review
On Thu, Mar 01, 2007 at 03:28:50PM +0100, Turbo Fredriksson wrote:
> Quoting Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
> > As of now, I see it as a failure of the project. But this is also
> > nothing that can't be fixed. What do you people think could be done to
> > bring the skills we are lacking
Quoting Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> As of now, I see it as a failure of the project. But this is also
> nothing that can't be fixed. What do you people think could be done to
> bring the skills we are lacking to the project, with its current
> structure?
Since I agree (well, more than
> I'm not sure what you're advocating, but in my experience, project
> managers without the capacity to understand the technical issues of the
> project that they are supposed to be managing are worse than useless.
But project manageers who understand too well the technical issues
involved are al
argl
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 05:46:05PM +0100, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:58:12PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> > It is my belief that such things could be avoided if we had proper
> > release management.
>
> I'm quite utterly convinced that this is not true. I do agre
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:58:12PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
[...]
> of people running experimental. As GNOME 2.18 is scheduled in two
> months, this means we will be lagging two versions behind upstream as
> soon as we have released.
What's wrong with that? Many packages lag behind. The kern
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 10:31:37AM -0500, Clint Adams wrote:
> > I would think that the same things that attract a technical individual
> > could attract a non-technical individual. Desire to learn. Desire to
> > contribute. Desire to build skills for resume or future employment.
> > And so on.
> I would think that the same things that attract a technical individual
> could attract a non-technical individual. Desire to learn. Desire to
> contribute. Desire to build skills for resume or future employment.
> And so on. The thing is that the current NM process is heavily biased
> toward
Heya,
I certainly agree with some of things you said, as I also believe that
Debian could profit from better management and/or planning in some
areas, I don't think this would have made the timely release of etch
possible.
Josselin Mouette <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Back in September, it seeme
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:58:12PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
> Management is quite a different job that what most of us are doing. In
> the real world, a good manager is as rare a resource as a good engineer,
> and you need both to make a business running. The Debian project is
> currently
On Wed, Feb 28, 2007 at 02:58:12PM +0100, Josselin Mouette wrote:
> It should be obvious now that, with the delays the release is facing,
> this decision was wrong.
I'm not so sure. By not trying to push 2.16 in, you've probably been creating
a lot less work for the release team than if you were t
Hi,
it is certainly a bit too early to look back at the etch release
process, as we still haven't released yet, but I'd like to share some
thoughts on what happened. Please note that these are entirely personal
views.
Back in September, it seemed impossible to the GNOME team to bring GNOME
2.16 i
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