Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-02 Thread Neil McGovern
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 03:55:22AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Wouldn't it be more simple to just choose a name and we would never ever > have to talk about it again, and never ever have to process any of such > unblocks? > Sure thing: The next release after Jessie will be called Thomas. [0]

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:51 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > Maybe distro-info-data's csv file should be published on mirrors, to > even provide historical names. > > http://anonscm.debian.org/gitweb/?p=collab-maint/distro-info-data.git;a=blob;f=debian.csv;h=ed3302e57d18f7697eec0b67fee259b904436684;h

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Jan 2, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Simon Paillard wrote: > Like a machine-readable http://http.debian.net/debian/dists/README ? Yeah, or something like this: http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/meta-release -- bye, pabs http://wiki.debian.org/PaulWise -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 2 January 2013 14:32, Simon Paillard wrote: > On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:56:53AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: >> On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: >> > $ man debian-distro-info >> > >> > Debian OS provides API to query such information. >> > In addition, stable alias names are

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2013-01-02 Thread Simon Paillard
On Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:56:53AM +0800, Paul Wise wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > $ man debian-distro-info > > > > Debian OS provides API to query such information. > > In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, > > unstable, experime

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Tue, Jan 01, 2013 at 10:26:17PM +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > > Maybe it's a bit overkill to do a DEP just for that no? For simple propositions, a DEP is not much more than giving a number to a wiki page, and keeping track if the proposition is under discussion, accepted or rejected. The

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-01 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 01/01/2013 04:21 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > Hi Thomas and everybody, and « bonne année » ! > > It seems to me that the main technical arguments advocating predictable or > sortable release names have been given, so I think that the next step would be > to make sure that they get to the right ea

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2013-01-01 Thread Charles Plessy
Hi Thomas and everybody, and « bonne année » ! It seems to me that the main technical arguments advocating predictable or sortable release names have been given, so I think that the next step would be to make sure that they get to the right ears at the right time. While this discussion on -devel

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-31 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > $ man debian-distro-info > > Debian OS provides API to query such information. > In addition, stable alias names are also provided (stable, testing, > unstable, experimental). > As a last resort you can also scrape archive mirrors dists (e

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/31/2012 08:03 PM, Neil Williams wrote: > > Or it could simply use the names which don't change: oldstable, stable, > testing, unstable, experimental. That's what multistrap does. That's > why the archive *has* names which don't change. Then we release a new stable, and these names have a dif

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Osamu Aoki
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 10:38:54AM -0500, Kris Deugau wrote: > Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > $ man debian-distro-info > > Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? That was my initial reaction. Then I found it on my system... ??? This was because ubuntu-dev-tools

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Jeremy Stanley
On 2012-12-31 10:38:54 -0500 (-0500), Kris Deugau wrote: > Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is > it in? [...] It's introduced in Wheezy and available in backports for Squeeze: http://packages.debian.org/distro-info http://bugs.debian.org/559761 -- { WHOIS( STANL3

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread gregor herrmann
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 10:38:54 -0500, Kris Deugau wrote: > Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > $ man debian-distro-info > Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? > I don't seem to have it available by default on any Debian system at > hand, from etch through wheezy... % a

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Kris Deugau
Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > $ man debian-distro-info Serious question - is this a real manpage? If so, which package is it in? I don't seem to have it available by default on any Debian system at hand, from etch through wheezy... > Debian OS provides API to query such information. Second serious

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Neil Williams
On Mon, 31 Dec 2012 01:23:56 +0800 Thomas Goirand wrote: > Let's say you have a software that somehow, installs Debian. I use a lot of those and wrote one of them. > Then it might require the user to select which name of the > release to install. Or it could simply use the names which don't ch

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-31 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 30 December 2012 19:23, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: >> Would it be an idea to publish the list of version numbers and associated >> code names a few releases ahead, say the upcoming three releases? Of >> course the prerogative of deciding on the names

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/31/2012 05:47 PM, Wouter Verhelst wrote: > On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 02:28:04PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: >>> Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. >> I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. >> It for sure helps in the d

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-31 Thread Wouter Verhelst
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 02:28:04PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > > Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. > I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. > It for sure helps in the debate. Doing '+1' on an argument doesn't exactly he

Re: Knowing the release names in advance

2012-12-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/31/2012 04:16 AM, Philipp Kern wrote: > Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. I'm stunted by the complexity of your argumentation. It for sure helps in the debate. Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-30 Thread Philipp Kern
On Mon, Dec 31, 2012 at 01:23:56AM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > Please +1 to this if you agree. Please don't. -devel is not a popularity contest. Kind regards Philipp Kern signature.asc Description: Digital signature

Re: Knowing the release names in advance (was: Feedback)

2012-12-30 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 12/30/2012 04:26 PM, Thijs Kinkhorst wrote: > Would it be an idea to publish the list of version numbers and associated > code names a few releases ahead, say the upcoming three releases? Of > course the prerogative of deciding on the names will remain with the > release team, it would only be p