Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Sat, 05 Nov 2016, Santiago Vila wrote: > On Sat, Nov 05, 2016 at 04:35:16PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > > On Fri, 04 Nov 2016, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > > If I would report hundreds of "dpkg-buildpackage -A" FTBFS bugs against > > > stable, would you consider that a valuable contri

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-05 Thread Santiago Vila
On Sat, Nov 05, 2016 at 04:35:16PM -0200, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > On Fri, 04 Nov 2016, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > If I would report hundreds of "dpkg-buildpackage -A" FTBFS bugs against > > stable, would you consider that a valuable contribution to unhide problems? > > Packages in stable

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-05 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 04 Nov 2016, Adrian Bunk wrote: > If I would report hundreds of "dpkg-buildpackage -A" FTBFS bugs against > stable, would you consider that a valuable contribution to unhide problems? Packages in stable must build in stable. If a package from stable FTBFS in stable, then yes, you should

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-05 Thread Ralf Treinen
Hi all, thanks to everybody for your advise. On Sat, Nov 05, 2016 at 01:02:27AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > Hi Ralf, > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > > found 39 maintainer scripts in sta

Re: restructuring debian-policy (was Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!)

2016-11-05 Thread Russ Allbery
Sean Whitton writes: > There is a huge backlog of bugs to update policy, most of which are for > entirely uncontroversial changes. > If people wanted to do the restructuring work first, all the patches on > all those bugs would have to be rewritten. Further, it is a waste of > time restructurin

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-05 Thread Osamu Aoki
> debian-reference-common_2.58_all/postinst > debian-reference-de_2.58_all/postinst > debian-reference-en_2.58_all/postinst > debian-reference-fr_2.58_all/postinst > debian-reference-it_2.58_all/postinst > debian-reference-ja_2.58_all/postinst > debian-reference-pt_2.58_all/postinst Hmmm... it's a

Re: restructuring debian-policy (was Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!)

2016-11-05 Thread Sean Whitton
Hello, On Sat, Nov 05, 2016 at 10:29:26AM +, Holger Levsen wrote: > do you think this is something which could be re-started at say DebConf > (or probably better, DebCamp), or a dedicated debian-policy sprint? > > would anybody else be interested to spend time+work on this? There is a huge b

restructuring debian-policy (was Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!)

2016-11-05 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 06:15:43PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Policy is currently written like a normal instruction manual. This has a > lot of real merit, but for quite some time I've thought that it may be > worth the effort to figure out how to structure it in a somewhat more > formal way, so

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Holger Levsen writes: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 03:03:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: >> (We unfortunately don't have good language for this in Policy. Right >> now, the must/should distinction conflates two things: severity, and >> certainty. We used to have the same problem in Lintian and exp

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Holger Levsen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 03:03:09PM -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > (We unfortunately don't have good language for this in Policy. Right now, > the must/should distinction conflates two things: severity, and certainty. > We used to have the same problem in Lintian and explicitly split severity > and c

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi Ralf, On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The > list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > > if they are scrip

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-04 15:03 -0700, Russ Allbery wrote: > Ralf Treinen writes: > >> in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we >> found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The >> list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > >> if they are

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Russ Allbery
Ralf Treinen writes: > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The > list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > if they are scripts (which is recommended), they must start with the

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 10:21:13PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 11:01:31PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Hi Ralf, > > > > > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 05:05:33PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > > On November 4, 2016 5:01:31 PM EDT, Adrian Bunk wrote: > >On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > >> Hi, > > > >Hi Ralf, > > > >> in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we >

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Ralf Treinen
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 11:01:31PM +0200, Adrian Bunk wrote: > On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > > Hi, > > Hi Ralf, > > > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > > found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The > >

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Scott Kitterman
On November 4, 2016 5:01:31 PM EDT, Adrian Bunk wrote: >On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: >> Hi, > >Hi Ralf, > >> in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we >> found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The >> list is att

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Sven Joachim
On 2016-11-04 21:22 +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > Hi, > > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The > list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > > if they are scripts (which is reco

Re: Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Adrian Bunk
On Fri, Nov 04, 2016 at 09:22:02PM +0100, Ralf Treinen wrote: > Hi, Hi Ralf, > in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we > found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The > list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: > > if they ar

Intended MBF: maintainer scripts not starting on #!

2016-11-04 Thread Ralf Treinen
Hi, in the Colis project (which aims at analyzing maintainer scripts) we found 39 maintainer scripts in stable which do not start on #!. The list is attached. Policy 6.1 says about maintainer scripts: if they are scripts (which is recommended), they must start with the usual #! convention. A