Re: Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-10-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Manoj Srivastava dijo [Sun, Oct 05, 2003 at 03:42:02PM -0500]: > Hi folks, > >It's been a few days since my last message. I have added a print > style sheet, so one can use a free Browser (mozilla) to print the > position statement. I have added a couple of new examples, an > inchoate softw

Re: Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-10-05 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, It's been a few days since my last message. I have added a print style sheet, so one can use a free Browser (mozilla) to print the position statement. I have added a couple of new examples, an inchoate software documentation freedoms list, and I have started an outline of the form

Re: Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-09-30 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, I have updated the position summary page with responses from RMS to some of the concerns (thanks to Bob Hilliard for bringing them to my attention), added a nascent Overview section (which currently only has links deeper into the page), and general spell check and a few typographic

Re: Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-09-29 Thread Manoj Srivastava
On Mon, 29 Sep 2003 10:07:04 +0200, Andreas Metzler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks for your patience. The URL of the document is: >> http://people.debian.org/%7Esrivasta/Position_Statement.xhtml> > Great work. But if this is supposed to be read

Re: Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-09-29 Thread Andreas Metzler
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Beginning in 2001, concerns regarding the compatibility of the > GNU Free Documentation License with the Debian Free Software > Guidelines came to the attention of the debian-legal mailing list. [...] >Unfortuna

Debian and the GNU Free documentation license

2003-09-28 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi folks, Beginning in 2001, concerns regarding the compatibility of the GNU Free Documentation License with the Debian Free Software Guidelines came to the attention of the debian-legal mailing list. In early 2002, the Free Software Foundation announced that it would be

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 02:50:21PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote: > A work licensed under GNU FDL, version 1.1, which consists entirely of > "Invariant Sections" either has no license or is wholly unmodifiable. > Most people on debian-legal agree that this renders the work DFSG-free.

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Jamie Wilkinson
This one time, at band camp, Dale Scheetz wrote: >So, in fact, both of these licenses are non-free, as they contain clauses >that can be used, and will be considered non-free. > >I find it ... foolish to declare a license to be free IFF some clauses of >the license are not exercised. Using this lan

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lun 08/04/2002 à 19:12, Dale Scheetz a écrit : > So, in fact, both of these licenses are non-free, as they contain > clauses that can be used, and will be considered non-free. > I find it ... foolish to declare a license to be free IFF some clauses of > the license are not exercised. Using thi

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Alan Shutko
Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > I find it ... foolish to declare a license to be free IFF some clauses of > the license are not exercised. Using this language, any proprietary > license becomes free as long as none of the proprietary sections are > inforced by the author... > > The lice

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Branden Robinson
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 01:12:06PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > So, in fact, both of these licenses are non-free, as they contain clauses > that can be used, and will be considered non-free. It is software that is or is not DFSG-free, not licenses. The simple fact is, a work licensed under versio

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Craig Dickson
begin Dale Scheetz quotation: > On Sun, 7 Apr 2002, Branden Robinson wrote: > > > As usual, this issue has been beaten to death on a list you don't read. > > > > Please review the archives of debian-legal for the past several months. > > > > In a nutshell: > > > > 1) The current version of t

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Thomas Hood
Dale Scheetz wrote: > So, in fact, both of these licenses are non-free, as they > contain clauses that can be used, and will be considered > non-free. Your objection is true of the OPL, but RMS argues http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2001/debian-legal-200111/msg00017.html that that is not true

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Dale Scheetz
non-free license. While I disagree, that is often irrelevant. > > > > 4. If we still have no free documentation license. I'm not sure how we > > can make demands for "good" documentation. > > As usual, this issue has been beaten to death on a list you do

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Dale Scheetz
down before moving things into an > area designated for common, free, licenses, don't you think? Well, if you insist ;-) Actually, on more reflection, (asside from whether or not the GNU Free Documentation License is "Free") the whole purpose of the common license area was to red

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Colin Watson
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 12:46:23AM -0700, Martin Quinson wrote: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-08 Thread Martin Quinson
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > into the common reference area? > > Who should I talk to

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Branden Robinson
gt; > 4. If we still have no free documentation license. I'm not sure how we > can make demands for "good" documentation. As usual, this issue has been beaten to death on a list you don't read. Please review the archives of debian-legal for the past several months. In

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:00:37PM -0400, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > > > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > > > into the common reference area? &

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: >> >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of Dale>

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Joseph Carter wrote: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > > into

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Sat, 6 Apr 2002, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dale> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of > Dale> the GNU Free Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put &g

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-07 Thread Federico Di Gregorio
Il dom, 2002-04-07 alle 05:06, Joseph Carter ha scritto: > On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-06 Thread Manoj Srivastava
>>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Dale> There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of Dale> the GNU Free Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put Dale> a copy of this license into the common reference area?

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-06 Thread Joseph Carter
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > into the common reference area? > > Who should I talk to ab

Re: The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-06 Thread Richard Braakman
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:57:43PM -0500, Dale Scheetz wrote: > There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free > Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license > into the common reference area? No, it would be premature. There&#

The GNU Free Documentation License (GFDL) and /usr/share/common-licenses

2002-04-06 Thread Dale Scheetz
There are an ever growing number of packages that make use of the GNU Free Documentation License. Isn't it about time to put a copy of this license into the common reference area? Who should I talk to about this? Waiting is, Dwarf -- _-_-_-_-_- Author of "Dwarf's Guide to D

Re: Free Documentation License

2000-03-13 Thread Raul Miller
On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 08:30:08PM -0400, Nicolás Lichtmaier wrote: > I think we have a problem here. The DFSG clearly does not apply to > documentation, just like the GPL. As the FSF created a new license, we need > to create guidelines to what we consider a "free documentation", as in free > spe

Re: Free Documentation License

2000-03-12 Thread Nicolás Lichtmaier
> Personally, I have to wonder if this type of thing is DFSG-free: I think we have a problem here. The DFSG clearly does not apply to documentation, just like the GPL. As the FSF created a new license, we need to create guidelines to what we consider a "free documentation", as in free speech.. =)

Re: Free Documentation License

2000-03-11 Thread Jules Bean
On Sat, Mar 11, 2000 at 04:54:20AM -0800, Joey Hess wrote: > Jordi wrote: > > Should this new license be included in base-files? > > That seems very premature. Best wait until > > 1) It is a common-license > 2) debian-legal has vetted it > > Personally, I have to wonder if this type of thing is

Re: Free Documentation License

2000-03-11 Thread Joey Hess
Jordi wrote: > Should this new license be included in base-files? That seems very premature. Best wait until 1) It is a common-license 2) debian-legal has vetted it Personally, I have to wonder if this type of thing is DFSG-free: If you publish printed copies of the Document numbering more th

Free Documentation License

2000-03-11 Thread Jordi
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