On Thursday, March 19, 2020 10:31:55 AM EDT Luca Filipozzi wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:42:39AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> > On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:25:24PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> > > > 2) We would be very limited in what checks we could actually do on new
> > > > packages. I
On Thu, Mar 19, 2020 at 11:42:39AM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:25:24PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> > > 2) We would be very limited in what checks we could actually do on new
> > > packages. If we look too closely at packages, we stop being a
> > > distributor, and
On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 12:25:24PM -0400, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> > 2) We would be very limited in what checks we could actually do on new
> > packages. If we look too closely at packages, we stop being a
> > distributor, and start being a publisher. I'm not sure that we want to
> > move towards
Hi,
On 18.03.20 17:25, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
> The uploader has *already* distributed the package by uploading it to
> ftp.debian.org. So the uploader already has any (99.99% of the time,
> completely non-existent) liability.
Yes and no. The uploader has distributed it to Debian, and Debian t
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 07:52:06PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
>
> In theory, yes - this would move the liability to the uploader. However,
> there are two issues with this:
> 1) The liability now rests with the uploader. This isn't something that
> has really been done before, and we'd need to ma
Hi Scott,
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 10:43:33PM +, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> As long as there are people involved, a certain amount of it is
> inevitable. Putting it in the requirements is bowing to reality. The
> FTP Team sometimes has to make unpopular decisions and it's inevitable
> that peop
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 05:41:38PM -0400, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> The fact is that given the length of time packages can wait for NEW
> processing and the amount of effort package maintainers put into
> packaging, it is understandable that they would be frustrated at the
> rejection of a packa
On 14.03.20 22:41, Roberto C. Sánchez wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 09:18:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
>> Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks,
>>
>> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>>> - cope well with flames in response to your decisions
>>
>>> - after tr
Hello,
On Sun 15 Mar 2020 at 10:48PM +01, Philipp Kern wrote:
> Now we could also fix that using a whitelist approach. But I have not
> seen much openness to tackling this part of NEW review and I am unsure
> why. From the public NEW tooling (I don't know dak's side) it pretty
> clearly does not
-annou...@lists.debian.org
Asunto: Re: FTP Team -- call for volunteers
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:38 PM Sean Whitton wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> The FTP Team is seeking volunteers to train to become FTP Assistants.
Hello Sean,
I'd like to volunteer.
I remember answering to a call for vo
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 10:02 PM Philip Hands wrote:
> I know times have changed, but are we not still notionally informing
> someone of every package that goes through NEW? Telling them (perhaps
> in a queued email that doesn't get sent any more) that each and every
> package in Debian may well
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 4:38 PM Sean Whitton wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> The FTP Team is seeking volunteers to train to become FTP Assistants.
Hello Sean,
I'd like to volunteer.
I remember answering to a call for volunteers in 2018. I was told that
I would be contacted for the next steps and
Alexis Murzeau writes:
...
> If it's just about legal risk, couldn't the responsibility of the
> right to redistribute of the uploaded software be moved on the
> uploader instead ?
How well does that work if someone outside the USA uploads software to
this USA based server which is legal in thei
On 2020-03-15 18:25, Theodore Y. Ts'o wrote:
The bigger thing which we might be able to do is to require minimal
review if the source package is already in the distribution, but the
main reason why it is in the ftp-master tar pit is because upstream
has bumped the major version number of a shared
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 08:13:37PM +0100, Alexis Murzeau wrote:
> If it's just about legal risk, couldn't the responsibility of the
> right to redistribute of the uploaded software be moved on the
> uploader instead ?
> So the uploader takes the responsibility of any redistribution of the
> uploade
Le 15/03/2020 à 19:59, Salvo Tomaselli a écrit :
> If you think about it, even if you connect with ssh and use vim or
> whatever remotely, the content of the files are reaching your screen,
> so are being distributed anyway. Might as well just download them no?
>
I'm not a lawyer, but I'm thinking
If you think about it, even if you connect with ssh and use vim or
whatever remotely, the content of the files are reaching your screen,
so are being distributed anyway. Might as well just download them no?
Il giorno dom 15 mar 2020 alle ore 18:25 Theodore Y. Ts'o
ha scritto:
>
> On Sun, Mar 15,
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 01:53:44PM +0100, Simon Richter wrote:
>
> > Personally, I was shocked when I found out we do review on the same server
> > that
> > hosts the archive. I would have expected a separate server for review.
> > However,
> > my expectation comes from younger environments, whe
Hi,
On 15.03.20 12:55, Michael Lustfield wrote:
> Personally, I was shocked when I found out we do review on the same server
> that
> hosts the archive. I would have expected a separate server for review.
> However,
> my expectation comes from younger environments, where CD/CI and extensive cod
On Sun, Mar 15, 2020 at 06:55:43AM -0500, Michael Lustfield wrote:
> > > > > (packages in NEW must not be downloaded from ftp-master.d.o to
> > > > > your
> > > > > local machine)
> > > > Just curious: Why is that the case?
> > > Out of an abundance of caution. Until after the package
On Sun, 15 Mar 2020 05:10:21 +0100
Adam Borowski wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 08:04:01PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> > On Saturday, March 14, 2020 6:37:46 PM EDT Martin wrote:
> > > On 2020-03-14 13:37, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > > > (packages in NEW must not be downloaded from ftp-m
Thank you Sean. I believe what you do is significantly meaningful for
our FTP team and the whole project. The recruitment cycle of FTP team is
"notoriously" slow, and any effort put on it is much appreciated!
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> The
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 08:04:01PM -0400, Scott Kitterman wrote:
> On Saturday, March 14, 2020 6:37:46 PM EDT Martin wrote:
> > On 2020-03-14 13:37, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > > (packages in NEW must not be downloaded from ftp-master.d.o to your
> > > local machine)
> >
> > Just curious: Why
On Saturday, March 14, 2020 6:37:46 PM EDT Martin wrote:
> On 2020-03-14 13:37, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > (packages in NEW must not be downloaded from ftp-master.d.o to your
> > local machine)
>
> Just curious: Why is that the case?
Out of an abundance of caution. Until after the package h
On March 14, 2020 9:18:48 PM UTC, Neil McGovern wrote:
>Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks,
>
>On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> - cope well with flames in response to your decisions
>
>> - after training, comfortable with being on the other end of the
>>
On 2020-03-14 13:37, Sean Whitton wrote:
> (packages in NEW must not be downloaded from ftp-master.d.o to your
> local machine)
Just curious: Why is that the case?
> - cope well with flames in response to your decisions
Flames equal emotional expression of frustration or
flames equal i
Hello Neil,
On Sat 14 Mar 2020 at 09:18PM +00, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks,
CCing ftpmaster@.
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
>> - cope well with flames in response to your decisions
>
>> - after training, comfortable with bei
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 09:18:48PM +, Neil McGovern wrote:
> Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks,
>
> On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> > - cope well with flames in response to your decisions
>
> > - after training, comfortable with being on the other end o
Hi debian-project and ftpmaster folks,
On Sat, Mar 14, 2020 at 01:37:59PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote:
> - cope well with flames in response to your decisions
> - after training, comfortable with being on the other end of the
> ftpmaster@ alias, which receives a huge volume of
> not-alw
Dear -devel,
It has been quite a while since the last call for volunteers to join the
the FTP team. As Ganneff put it so well in the last request[0], I will
hereby quote him below.
(I would only add that such work is rather under appreciated; don't do
this for the glory or public recognition.)
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