On Wed, Nov 27, 2002 at 08:21:41PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> I think, supporting (distributing) of non-free ist waste of bandwidth
> and money... and the same for contrib...
i think the bandwidth taken and disk space taken up by non-free is
exceptionally small compared to main. i haven't
Am 02:12 2002-11-25 -0800 hat Adam McKenna geschrieben:
>On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:34:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
>> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 02:09:59PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
>> > But I do not use contrib or non-free. Nobody had ask for non-free
>> > and contrib if I burn CD's for
Branden Robinson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:20:06PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> > Indeed, one of the faculty here at UCI, Aldo Antonelli is a die-hard
> > member of the Free Software community. When I told him about Debian's
> > commitment to the principles
On Tue, Nov 26, 2002 at 01:20:06PM -0800, Thomas Bushnell, BSG wrote:
> Indeed, one of the faculty here at UCI, Aldo Antonelli is a die-hard
> member of the Free Software community. When I told him about Debian's
> commitment to the principles free software he immediately decided to
> switch his c
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:22:42AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
>
> > What you seem to be implying is that there is something wrong with the
> > desire to preserve the way things are now (regardless of the
> > motivation). Is this your position?
>
>
Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> Ahh but John is not working in the interests of our users but rather a
> higher body known as the "Free Software Community." It is not known
> whether any actual Debian user is a member of that group at this time
> (the answer to THAT question when aske
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:27:22PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:20:39PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> > That's a recursive definition. "The way things are now" is our current
> > social contract, so you are saying "The way things are now is consistent
> > with the way thi
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 05:27:22PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> I'm aware that the definition is somewhat tautological. But my opinion
> remains that our users are currently better served by the status quo than
> what you are proposing.
Do you consider the status quo to be the ideal situation? I
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 07:20:39PM -0600, John Goerzen wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > Perhaps some of us feel that "The Way Things Are Now" is consistent with
> > our
> > Social Contract and our list of committments, and changing that would be
> > viola
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:42:39PM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> Perhaps some of us feel that "The Way Things Are Now" is consistent with our
> Social Contract and our list of committments, and changing that would be
> violating that Contract and those committments.
That's a recursive definition.
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:22:42AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > Thanks for clarifying that.
>
> Your wit is razor sharp as usual, Branden. What you seem to be implying is
> that there is something wrong with the desire to preserve the way things
> are now (regardless of the motivation). Is th
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 04:19:45PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:22:42AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:56:05PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:56:46AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > > > Why does the "GR-opposi
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 11:22:42AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:56:05PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:56:46AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > > Why does the "GR-opposition party" need to stand "for" anything, other
> > > than
> > > preservi
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 12:56:05PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:56:46AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> > Why does the "GR-opposition party" need to stand "for" anything, other than
> > preserving the status quo?
>
> Thanks for clarifying that.
Your wit is razor sharp
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 02:12:16AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:34:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 02:09:59PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > > But I do not use contrib or non-free. Nobody had ask for non-free
> > > and contrib if I bur
On Mon, Nov 25, 2002 at 01:56:46AM -0800, Adam McKenna wrote:
> Why does the "GR-opposition party" need to stand "for" anything, other than
> preserving the status quo?
Thanks for clarifying that.
--
G. Branden Robinson| Reality is what refuses to go away
Debian GNU/Linux
On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 09:34:44AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 20, 2002 at 02:09:59PM +0200, Michelle Konzack wrote:
> > But I do not use contrib or non-free. Nobody had ask for non-free
> > and contrib if I burn CD's for some one...
>
> An important data point, I'd think...
Ye
On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 06:22:36PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 17, 2002 at 12:30:31PM +0200, Richard Braakman wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 15, 2002 at 05:47:39PM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> > > This certainly flies in the face of the common argument that Free
> > > Software only "ch
Branden Robinson writes ("Re: Discussion - non-free software removal"):
> While we're on the subject, can you tell us whether or not the Social
> Contract was specifically one of the documents you had in mind when you
> wrote clause 4.1.5 of the Debian Constituion? C
> How did this "killing" happen? Certainly not by denying them space on
> Debian's servers. In fact, Mozilla "killed" Netscape because Netscape,
Poor "John Galt" is fooled by "Branden" into "thinking" that Netscape is
"dead".
On Sun, 17 Nov 2002, Branden Robinson wrote:
>On Sat, Nov 16, 2002 at 06:36:52PM -0500, Clint Adams wrote:
>> Because, at the time that "we" wrote it, non-free (in particular:
>> PGP, ssh, Netscape, IIRC) was a much more important part of Debian than
>> it is now. Those three sets of packages wen
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