Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Adam Majer
Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Frankly there is far less difference between GLIBC 2.9 and EGLIBC 2.9 > than between GLIBC 2.9 and GLIBC 2.10. > > I could also have just taken the EGLIBC patches and put them in > debian/patches, no one would have noticed. I'm sure your decision will either, 1. work per

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Giacomo A. Catenazzi
Martin Langhoff wrote: On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: only to say that "this is really just applying a patch, no need to panic". How about defaulting to assume if the maintainer hasn't posted, there's no reason to panic. Assume the maintainer knows better than slashdot or

Debian has switched to FusionForge (was: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC")

2009-05-07 Thread Roland Mas
Jon Dowland, 2009-05-07 11:51:43 +0100 : > I disagree, this would still warrant a post. Even if the impact is > insignificant, that is worth saying - "we're doing this, and there's > no reason to worry." I'll bite. The "gforge" package in Debian has been switched from GForge to FusionForge, wh

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Martin Langhoff
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:51 PM, Jon Dowland wrote: > only to say that "this is really just applying a patch, no need to panic". How about defaulting to assume if the maintainer hasn't posted, there's no reason to panic. Assume the maintainer knows better than slashdot or reddit about his/her own

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Jon Dowland
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 10:22:33AM +0200, Ana Guerrero wrote: > Take Aurélien' personal post, remove all the personal comments that he could > write in his blog but not to d-d-a, and you will see it is not worth a mail > to d-d-a: "hey, instead of package direclty Drepper's glibc, our glibc will >

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Andreas Tille
On Thu, 7 May 2009, Aurelien Jarno wrote: not to see this on slashdot or other website. There is a German (not necessarily Linux related) news site who reported "immediately": http://www.golem.de/0905/66930.html Kind regards Andreas. -- http://fam-tille.de -- To UNSUBSCRIBE,

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Ana Guerrero a écrit : > On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 10:52:47AM +0530, Ganesan Rajagopal wrote: >>> Aurelien Jarno writes: >>> Should we also ask permission to everybody before uploading a new >>> version of the libc? >> Of course, not :-). But this one sounds like a big change on the face of it >

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Ana Guerrero
On Thu, May 07, 2009 at 10:52:47AM +0530, Ganesan Rajagopal wrote: > > Aurelien Jarno writes: > > Should we also ask permission to everybody before uploading a new > > version of the libc? > > Of course, not :-). But this one sounds like a big change on the face of it > and raises concerns (l

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-07 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 02:21:05PM -0500, John Goerzen wrote: > So I think the problem here is not that you made a technically bad > decision. It sounds like you made a good decision. It's how it was > communicated. > > 1) It didn't happen on any of the official Debian places that > developers re

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Ganesan Rajagopal
> Aurelien Jarno writes: > Michael Prokop a écrit : >> * Josselin Mouette wrote: >>> Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : >> Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor o

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Giacomo Catenazzi
John Goerzen wrote: > Julien BLACHE wrote: >> John Goerzen wrote: >> >> Hi, >> >>> I, for one, have heard just about enough of "Hey developers, we're doing >>> $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up" from people. >>> I'd like a little bit more along the lines of "Hey developers

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Christian Perrier
Quoting John Goerzen (jgoer...@complete.org): > So I think the problem here is not that you made a technically bad > decision. It sounds like you made a good decision. It's how it was > communicated. I guess that, in some way, the glibc maintainers wanted to save us from a probably very long an

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread John Goerzen
Yves-Alexis Perez wrote: > On Wed, 06 May 2009 14:21:05 -0500 > John Goerzen wrote: > >> I for one would have appreciated it if, before the upload, you had >> laid out why you're planning to do it here on debian-devel. I don't >> think you would have met any opposition. > > I wouldn't assume th

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread John Goerzen
Julien BLACHE wrote: > John Goerzen wrote: > > Hi, > >> I, for one, have heard just about enough of "Hey developers, we're doing >> $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up" from people. >> I'd like a little bit more along the lines of "Hey developers, we >> really think $FOO i

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Yves-Alexis Perez
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, 06 May 2009 14:21:05 -0500 John Goerzen wrote: > I for one would have appreciated it if, before the upload, you had > laid out why you're planning to do it here on debian-devel. I don't > think you would have met any opposition. I wouldn't

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Alan Dorman
On Wed, 06 May 2009 21:57:19 +0200 Julien BLACHE wrote: > How does "hey developers, we're sick and tired of having to put up > with Uli, how about you find some new people to maintain glibc in > Debian" sound like? It sounds unnecessarily confrontational---it's daring people to disagree with you

Debian is switching to EGLIBC

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Hi all, It is new to me that we should announce changes in packages on debian-devel. I haven't seen that before for other (key) packages, while it is very usual to see such announcements on planet.debian.org. I have decided to add a blog entry after many people asking me on IRC "What is this thin

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Julien BLACHE
John Goerzen wrote: Hi, > I, for one, have heard just about enough of "Hey developers, we're doing > $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up" from people. > I'd like a little bit more along the lines of "Hey developers, we > really think $FOO is a good idea. Here's why. What

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread John Goerzen
Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Michael Prokop a écrit : >> | Debian is switching to EGLIBC >> | >> | I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is >> | currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU >> | C Library (G

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Prokop
* Aurelien Jarno wrote: > Michael Prokop a écrit : >> * Josselin Mouette wrote: >>> Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Paul Wise
On Thu, May 7, 2009 at 12:33 AM, Michael Prokop wrote: > No. Though I think that for essential packages like libc it could be > worth a public discussion. In this case there wouldn't be any point of discussing it, I predict the discussion would simply be "yes", "AOL", "+1", "do it already", "why

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Michael Prokop a écrit : > * Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : > >>> Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? >>> I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-devel-glibc. > >> Do all mai

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Prokop
* Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 =C3=A0 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a =C3=A9crit : >> Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? >> I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-devel-glibc. > Do all maintainers need your approval before

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Aurelien Jarno
Michael Prokop a écrit : > | Debian is switching to EGLIBC > | > | I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is > | currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU > | C Library (GLIBC). > | [...] > > -- http://blog.aurel32.

Re: "Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le mercredi 06 mai 2009 à 18:18 +0200, Michael Prokop a écrit : > Where did this decission (and the discussion around it) took place? > I can't find anything neither on debian-devel nor on debian-devel-glibc. Do all maintainers need your approval before switching to another branch for packages the

"Debian is switching to EGLIBC"

2009-05-06 Thread Michael Prokop
| Debian is switching to EGLIBC | | I have just uploaded Embedded GLIBC (EGLIBC) into the archive (it is | currently waiting in the NEW queue), which will soon replace the GNU | C Library (GLIBC). | [...] -- http://blog.aurel32.net/?p=47 Where did this decission (and the discussion around it