Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-19 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Jonathan Dowland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > > No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about > > duplicate work when it turns out that you're not the only one who has > > been doing work without telling anybo

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-19 Thread Jonathan Dowland
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:44:03PM +0100, Henning Makholm wrote: > No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about > duplicate work when it turns out that you're not the only one who has > been doing work without telling anybody about it. So, _both_ people involved should have

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-18 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 23:54:26 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Well Marc I have to say that I have received some good advice from James >as ftpmaster in the past. The ftpmasters are in a better position to >judge what's best for the archive as a whole than I am (and than many of >us

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-17 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:12:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > And even if the ITP is filed in time, you can work for the waste > basked since final ftpmaster approval can only be applied for after > all work is done. > > And there are many cases where Debian has said "no, we don't want your > pack

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Josip Rodin
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 05:12:38PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: > And even if the ITP is filed in time, you can work for the waste > basked since final ftpmaster approval can only be applied for after > all work is done. > > And there are many cases where Debian has said "no, we don't want your > pack

Re: Debian communication and attitude

2003-11-16 Thread Marc Haber
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:17:08 +1100, Hamish Moffatt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: >> Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you >> think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody > >If you do

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Chad Walstrom
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > Why should he? If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you > think best, then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody > must do that. It's simply a matter of timing and fact. The sooner you ITP, the less likel

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-17 0:17 +1100, Hamish Moffatt wrote: > If you don't write the ITP first, you run the risk of somebody else > duplicating your work! Exactly what happened here. Not quite exactly, as far as I understood, Filip did not send an ITP at all. This would have decreased the chance of dou

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Hamish Moffatt
On Sun, Nov 16, 2003 at 12:14:38PM +0100, Martin Pitt wrote: > On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my > > > work preparation turned into ashes. > > > > Duck,

Re: Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Henning Makholm
Scripsit Martin Pitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > If writing an ITP as the very first action is what you think best, > then do it like this, but that doesn't mean that everybody must do > that. No, but if you don't do it, you forfeit your right to whine about duplicate work when it turns out that you're

Debian communication and attitude [was: Re: Example of really nasty DD behavior]

2003-11-16 Thread Martin Pitt
Hi! On 2003-11-15 17:37 -0600, Chad Walstrom wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2003 at 11:55:46PM +0100, Duck wrote: > > I was writing an ITP when you posted that and suddendly, saw all my > > work preparation turned into ashes. > > Duck, perhaps you should have written the ITP earlier. Why should he? If