On 09/21/2015 06:12 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>> (It seems they are implicitly considered a master when updating the
>>> bikeshed's ACLs) I would have thought "Owner:" would make more sense
>>> than "Master:" fwiw.
>>
>> Then you end up having
On Fri, Sep 25, 2015 at 10:14:04PM +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 08:39:19PM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> >
> > Has anyone mentioned git?
>
> No, nor split.
>
biff ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biff#Origin_and_name )
Groeten
Geert Stappers
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On Wed, Sep 23, 2015 at 08:39:19PM +0200, Jeffrey Ratcliffe wrote:
> On 23 September 2015 at 00:16, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> > unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount
> > ; sleep
>
> Has anyone mentioned git?
No, nor split.
--
"If you're not careful, the new
On 09/17/2015 05:41 AM, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Hi,
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this nami
On 23 September 2015 at 00:16, Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> unzip ; strip ; touch ; grep ; finger ; mount ; fsck ; more ; yes ; umount ;
> sleep
Has anyone mentioned git?
Jeff
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:52:41PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04:
> >Wookey wrote:
> [...]
> >>Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in the unix tradition of mildly
> >>amusing/punny names.
> >
> >Which tradition would that be?
> >
> >Out of the few hundred or so Unix [
On Tue, Sep 22, 2015 at 10:58:15 +0200, Tzafrir Cohen wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:41:53PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> > * Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42:
> > >I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,
> >
> > It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed featur
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 06:41:53PM +0200, Jakub Wilk wrote:
> * Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42:
> >I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,
>
> It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed feature". Perhaps you should
> explain the term first.
>
> (Believe it or not
On 14071 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> > For the "Master" and "Uploader" fields, it would probably be nice if
>> > you could specify DDs by uid instead of just fingerprint. (Especially
>> > so that updates to the keyring were automatically reflected in bikeshed
>> > permissions)
>> Fingerprin
Hi,
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > (It seems they are implicitly considered a master when updating the
> > bikeshed's ACLs) I would have thought "Owner:" would make more sense
> > than "Master:" fwiw.
>
> Then you end up having multiple owners. Master IMO shows better what the
> in
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > That's unusual. Is having multiple packages on a single header also
> > valid? eg:
> > Package: glibc, systemd, sysvinit
> > ?
> I think it's cleaner to have one per package tag, but its either that or
> only one line, comma-seper
On 14070 March 1977, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>> I've updated https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands> with
>> hopefully not too many new errors. :)
> Minor nit (assuming I've got the naming convention right).
Tha
On Sun, Sep 20, 2015 at 03:48:24PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> I've updated https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands
> with hopefully not too many new errors. :)
Minor nit (assuming I've got the naming convention right).
--- README.commands.orig2015-09-20 17:33:11.75259
On 09/18/2015 02:51 PM, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
>> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
>>> We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes we do!
>>
>>
>
> Should we leave this naming to t
On 14070 March 1977, Anthony Towns wrote:
>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
> dcut from dput-ng uses $login-$timestamp rather than "EPOCH" per se. Does
> this actually matter, or is it just conventi
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 01:42:58PM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
dcut from dput-ng uses $login-$timestamp rather than "EPOCH" per se. Does
this actually matter, or is
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 13:42 +0200, Joerg Jaspert a écrit :
> https://ftp-master.debian.org/users/joerg/README.commands
Thanks for the documentation (and for the code!).
How do you upload a package to a bikeshed? Just set bs-whatever as the
suite in the changes file?
--
.''`. Joss
Hi,
Philip Hands wrote:
> Colin Tuckley writes:
>
> > On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> >
> >> what the heck bikesheds are.
> >
> > What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not
> > your first language, is that anything associated with the term
> > 'bikeshed' is
Lucas Nussbaum wrote:
> On 17/09/15 at 15:04 -0400, Robert Edmonds wrote:
> > Wookey wrote:
> > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big
> > >
On 17/09/15 at 15:04 -0400, Robert Edmonds wrote:
> Wookey wrote:
> > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > > > in it. Patches/git trees to m
Colin Tuckley writes:
> On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>
>> what the heck bikesheds are.
>
> What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not
> your first language, is that anything associated with the term
> 'bikeshed' is very *negative*.
>
> They have strong derog
On 18/09/15 22:23, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> what the heck bikesheds are.
What you seem to not be understanding, possibly because English is not
your first language, is that anything associated with the term
'bikeshed' is very *negative*.
They have strong derogatory connotations, so much so that I
On 14067 March 1977, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Second, the reason why I started writing: I defined the possible
> commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, which use the same command
> interface as the DM commands do.
And there has been the very valid point that I haven't explained here
what the he
On 14068 March 1977, Ian Jackson wrote:
> It's a lovely joke but unfortunately the word `bikeshed' already means
> something else in a computer/geeky context. So these things
> shouldn't be called bikesheds for the same reason that a computer
> shouldn't be called `down' or `internet'.
> If we wan
+++ Jakub Wilk [2015-09-18 18:52 +0200]:
> * Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04:
> >Wookey wrote:
> "less"
& "most" (most is great and hardly ever installed on a random box, which is a
pity. Try it.)
Wookey
--
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http://wookware.org/
* Robert Edmonds , 2015-09-17, 15:04:
Wookey wrote:
[...]
Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in the unix tradition of mildly
amusing/punny names.
Which tradition would that be?
Out of the few hundred or so Unix [0] and GNU [1] commands listed on
Wikipedia, the only vaguely amusing/punning nam
* Joerg Jaspert , 2015-09-17, 13:42:
I defined the possible commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature,
It's the first time I hear about the "bikeshed feature". Perhaps you
should explain the term first.
(Believe it or not, most debian-devel readers were not at DebConf.)
But whatever it's s
* Lars Wirzenius , 2015-09-18, 15:51:
Should we leave this naming to the people actually doing the work to
implement this?
Indeed! It's a fundamental rule of Debian do-o-cracy that you should
never listen to people who are not doing the work, as they can't
possibly be right about anything.
On Sep 18 2015, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
>> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
>> > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
>>
>>
>>
>> Oh yes we do!
>>
>>
>
> Should we leave this naming to the p
On 2015-09-18 14:03:17 +0100 (+0100), Ian Jackson wrote:
[...]
> they could be called some other kind of shed or hut or something.
[...]
While marvellously entertaining, I can only hope that the irony of
this protracted debate is not entirely lost on its participants.
--
Jeremy Stanley
Wookey writes ("Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds"):
> It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in
> the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names.
It's a lovely joke but unfortunately the word `bikeshed' already means
something else in a co
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 01:29:22PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
> > We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
>
>
>
> Oh yes we do!
>
>
Should we leave this naming to the people actually doing the work to
implement this?
Al
+++ Colin Tuckley [2015-09-18 12:22 +0100]:
> We certainly (imho) don't want anything in Debian given that description
Oh yes we do!
(Possibly another British tradition that will be somewhat mysterious to the
rest of the world :-)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pantomime#Performance_conventio
Someone wrote (I can't work out who in the nested quotes):
> There is a strong British tradition, exported to a range of other
> countries, of engineers toiling away in garden sheds, inventing
> stuff - be it cars, engines, radios, metalwork, carpentry ...
> anything someone can produce which req
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Geert Stappers wrote:
> On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote:
>> * Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015
>> 17:44:11 +0100):
>> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 Dominic
On Fri, Sep 18, 2015 at 12:17:22PM +0200, Mathias Behrle wrote:
> * Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:44:11
> +0100):
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100 Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> >
> > There is a strong British tradi
* Neil Williams: " Re: DAK Commands for Bikesheds" (Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:44:11
+0100):
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100
> Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
>
> > On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 11:19:57PM -0400, The Wanderer wrote:
> I concur that this sort of wordplay in naming is a *nix tradition;
> however, I withhold comment as to whether the name "bikeshed" is
> appropriate in this case, as the first I remember hearing about them is
> this thread and I don't k
On 2015-09-17 at 15:04, Robert Edmonds wrote:
> Wookey wrote:
>
>> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
>>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode
>>> this naming in the suggested API. It was funny during one Debconf
>>> talk... but it won't be funny in the long t
Le jeudi 17 septembre 2015 à 18:52 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli a écrit :
> Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is
> going to be both epic and very meta.
I herd you like bikesheds…
--
.''`. Josselin Mouette
: :' :
`. `'
`-
Wookey wrote:
> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
> >
> > Please don't call this featu
Steve McIntyre writes:
> Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> It wasn't supposed to be a joke. Bikeshed is an appropriate name, in
> the unix tradition of mildly amusing/punny names.
Not to mention that this bikeshed thread about the Bikeshed name is
going to be both epic and very meta.
--
Stefano Z
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015 17:20:21 +0100
Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 04:39:43PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> +++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welc
Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
>>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming
>> in the suggested
+++ Raphael Hertzog [2015-09-17 14:41 +0200]:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>
> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardc
On 14067 March 1977, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
>> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
>> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
> Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming
> in the suggested API. It was funny during
On Thu, Sep 17, 2015 at 02:41:11PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> > Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> > in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
>
> Please don't call this feature "Bikeshe
Hi,
On Thu, 17 Sep 2015, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
> Please check if I forgot something obvious or if there is some big error
> in it. Patches/git trees to merge from/... are welcome.
Please don't call this feature "Bikesheds" and don't hardcode this naming
in the suggested API. It was funny during on
Hi,
first off I haven't found a "Standard" document documenting the command
feature of dak as currently used for DMs, so if there is one, that
should be merged with what I wrote up now.
Second, the reason why I started writing: I defined the possible
commands for the upcoming bikeshed feature, wh
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