On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 02:42:31PM +0800, Cameron Patrick wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:21:35AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
> | On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:01:46PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> | > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:25:24PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> | > The firmware is needed. W
On Thu, Nov 20, 2003 at 01:21:35AM -0500, Branden Robinson wrote:
| On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:01:46PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
| > On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:25:24PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
| > The firmware is needed. Without it, the device is completely dumb.
| > But there are some devices
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 11:01:46PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:25:24PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> The firmware is needed. Without it, the device is completely dumb.
> But there are some devices which can store the fw permanently. Also,
> the fw is distributed on their
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:23:21PM +0100, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> It looks as if everytime we can get rid of a good reason for
> non-free (e.g. viable acroread alternatives), new reasons (firmware for
> drivers) arise. Sigh.
That's because it's a bad premise to use utility as a basis for decidi
Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> The firmware is needed. Without it, the device is completely dumb.
> But there are some devices which can store the fw permanently. Also,
> the fw is distributed on their (windows) installation CDs.
Do these CDs accompany the hardware when bought? In th
Oliver Kurth writes:
> Unfortunately, in this thread it turned out we can't. Unless we convince
> Atmel to not license the files under the GPL, but just as freely
> distributable.
You don't need to get them to remove the GPL. Just get them to add an
"It's ok to distribute these without source" st
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 01:25:24PM -0800, Don Armstrong wrote:
> On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> > Sigh. So if Atmel says these files are no longer GPL'ed, but are just
> > freely distributable, it could at least go to non-free?
>
> Yes.
>
> > Sounds ridiculous. (Law is too complicated
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 10:41:58PM +0100, Guido Guenther wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:36:31PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> > I am sure these lines in the files can be removed, by bugging the
> > Atmel people, or at least 'override' it with an 'It is okay' message
> > from them.
> O.k., we ca
Hi,
Am Mi, den 19.11.2003 schrieb Oliver Kurth um 21:28:
> See, the copyright holder has no problem if those files are distributed.
> They will not care. I can also reconfirm this by asking them. So the
> problem is if this can still comply with the DFSG. So the exception
> should be made by Debia
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:36:31PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> I am sure these lines in the files can be removed, by bugging the
> Atmel people, or at least 'override' it with an 'It is okay' message
> from them.
O.k., we can upload to non-free then.
> But you do not seem to see my point: the hum
On Wed, 19 Nov 2003, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> Sigh. So if Atmel says these files are no longer GPL'ed, but are just
> freely distributable, it could at least go to non-free?
Yes.
> Sounds ridiculous. (Law is too complicated to me, so I stick to
> programming ;-) )
Thats part and parcel of the GPL..
Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > If the hex files are GPLed, they are probably not distributable -- hex .c
> > files probably do not fall into the GPL's definition of source
> > code
> Maybe there can be an exception because the code is not run on the host
> but on the device?
Who d
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:25:44PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > > If the hex files are GPLed, they are probably not distributable -- hex .c
> > > files probably do not fall into the GPL's definition of source
> > > code
>
> > Maybe there can be a
Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> But you do not seem to see my point: the human readable sources of the
> firmware files are _not_ open. The hex files, ie. the compiled form,
> in ACSII format they say _are_ GPL'ed (despite the disclaimer in those
> files, see above).
What you're missi
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:00:48PM +, Henning Makholm wrote:
> Scripsit Oliver Kurth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>
> > But you do not seem to see my point: the human readable sources of the
> > firmware files are _not_ open. The hex files, ie. the compiled form,
> > in ACSII format they say _are_ GPL'
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:41:32PM +0100, Steinar H. Gunderson wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:52:22PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> > There may also be issues with the firmware: the source is /not/ GPL'ed, but
> > the hex files from Atmel are. I am not sure if this is possible, and if it
> > is
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:26:56PM +0100, Guido Guenther wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:01:40PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> > Okay, but you placed an email into the URL field.
> Cut'n'Paste erro. It's correct in the package.
Fine.
> > This is okay. Atmel allows to distribute those files, I
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:52:22PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> There may also be issues with the firmware: the source is /not/ GPL'ed, but
> the hex files from Atmel are. I am not sure if this is possible, and if it
> is a problem for Debian to get it into main.
IANAL, but...
If the hex files ar
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:01:40PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> Okay, but you placed an email into the URL field.
Cut'n'Paste erro. It's correct in the package.
> This is okay. Atmel allows to distribute those files, I have got a message
> from one of their developers, it should also be on the mai
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 08:06:32PM +0100, Guido Guenther wrote:
> Hi Oliver,
> On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:43:30PM +0100, Oliver Kurth wrote:
> > That is my email addrss in the URL field... not the site to
> > download. It is really
> > http://at76c503a.berlios.de/
> > My name is correct for upstrea
On Wed, Nov 19, 2003 at 07:04:45PM +0100, Guido Guenther wrote:
> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
>
> * Package name: at76c503a-source
> Version : 0.11.beta5
> * URL : Oliver Kurth
> * License : GPL
> Description : at76c503a driver source
That is my ema
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
* Package name: at76c503a-source
Version : 0.11.beta5
* URL : Oliver Kurth
* License : GPL
Description : at76c503a driver source
.
Alternative driver for the Atmel AT76C503A based USB WLAN adapters. This driver
is for li
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