Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On Thu, 7 May 1998, Oliver Elphick wrote: > Dale Scheetz wrote: > >On 7 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > > >> Fine. But the moment any package ``ignores'' policy and > >> insists policy is not broken, so should not be fixed, I shall file > >> bugs against the package. > > > >

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-07 Thread Oliver Elphick
Dale Scheetz wrote: >On 7 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > >>Fine. But the moment any package ``ignores'' policy and >> insists policy is not broken, so should not be fixed, I shall file >> bugs against the package. > >Which I will happily reasign to Policy. Hang on, Dale. J

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 7 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Fine. But the moment any package ``ignores'' policy and > insists policy is not broken, so should not be fixed, I shall file > bugs against the package. Which I will happily reasign to Policy. > > As the technical committee would look at th

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-07 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, This is getting nowhere. Well, when the constitution is ratified, maybe one can see how much support there is for more strongly ratifying the policy documents. As it stands, I have no motivation to work on the ``good practices'' document unless I have any indication it is going to

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-07 Thread Dale Scheetz
On 6 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Dale" == Dale Scheetz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > Dale> On 6 May 1998, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > > Dale> During our past discusion on these issues I made direct requests > Dale> for clarifying statements about priorities of policies. I > Dale

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-06 Thread Bill Leach
Manoj, you are really 'hitting the nail on the head' with the stuff that you have written lately (and I will admit to not necessarily recogniaing the significance of what you have written in the recent past)... On Mon, May 04, 1998 at 01:01:17AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote: > Hi, > >>"Raul" ==

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You suddenly seem to be arguing that policy never be amended > since we may just be screwing it up. Er... no. Not even close. Later, -- Raul -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact [E

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> The issue isn't trust. The issue is understanding. I think I am willing to give new maintainers the benfit of doubt as to whether they can excercise enough judgment to know if they understand a subject well enough to go and

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul> You honestly think this is good enough for new developers? I > Raul> must confess that I'm not really in touch with the sort of > Raul> things they would think. > > Of course. You gotta trust people some time. I think we give > folks the

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would be willing to say that we leave determination of the point >> when following policy is detrimental to the package to the >> maintainers themselves; so Dale could decide that strip

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Raul> I've mostly agreed with (Buddha and Philip's) statement you > Raul> quoted a few days ago which talks about what to do when policy > Raul> doesn't apply properly. I think it has a weakness: in creating > Raul> the rules for how "debian-policy" is

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Policy SHOULD be followed, in the general case. I'd even agree Raul> that in a large number of specific cases (but not all), policy Raul> MUST be followed. You're the one that has decided that this Raul> means that it SHOULD NOT be foll

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-04 Thread Raul Miller
Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> In any case, policy is not meant to be followed anyway. Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > Raul> Cut it out, Manoj. Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Why? You should be happy I'm on your side now. Were you not objecting > to th

Re: Bug#21969: debian-policy: needs clarification about Standards-Version

1998-05-03 Thread Manoj Srivastava
Hi, >>"Raul" == Raul Miller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: Raul> Manoj Srivastava <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> In any case, policy is not meant to be followed anyway. Raul> Cut it out, Manoj. Why? You should be happy I'm on your side now. Were you not objecting to the statement that polic