Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-17 Thread Michael Cardenas
Here's an update. After consulting with debian-legal, I emailed Bigelow and Holmes tonight to ask them to reconsider the license they have chosen so that they can be included in debian. If anyone is interested, I can post that email here. I've ITP'd the one latin ttf font I know of which is not

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Nikita V. Youshchenko
> As for quality of X Type1 rasterizer, I believe that it is a temporary > problem. At least one Type1 renderer, gv, has no problems with visual > quality, so this is not a fundamental flaw, just another challenge. To get the quality, gv uses antialiasing, doesn't it? But X core protocol doesn't s

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:57:47PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > > >> until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or > >> the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't > >> produce a fine font if you give

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Alan Shutko
Jan Nieuwenhuizen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: > If you write a Free Software application that needs to display text, > but you omit a good font, it's useless. So all text editors should come with their own font?! -- Alan Shutko <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> - In a variety of flavors! The best way to love

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or >> the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't >> produce a fine font if you give up before trying. > > Fine, try it. I am trying, only with a music font, as

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 05:39:13PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > BA> Portability. > > Can you elaborate? Which of Debian-supported platforms to not have Type1 > fonts support, and why? You are focusing on the wrong problem. Application designers choose TrueType for portability. SDL applica

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 10:15:30AM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote: BA> But the pfaedit docs say that "PfaEdit will degrade the appearance BA> of most truetype fonts" with the exception being those that are not BA> hinted at all. Aha, that is why Valek had to manually adjust hinting. Well, this mean

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 02:09:35PM +0200, Jan Nieuwenhuizen wrote: > You won't find out if there's good enough talent hiding inside you > until you try and learn and try again. The first glyphs you'll do (or > the first fonts, ftm) will be total crap. But you certainly won't > produce a fine font

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Miros/law Baran
15.08.2002 pisze Ben Armstrong ([EMAIL PROTECTED]): > > Can someone explain what is the problem with switching to Type1 > > altogether? > Portability. Portability and the quality of the Type1 rasterizer in X, I'd say. Jubal -- [ Miros/law L Baran, baran-at-knm-org-pl, neg IQ, cert AI ] [ 0101

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Ben Armstrong
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 03:36:42PM +0300, Dmitry Borodaenko wrote: > Actually, I don't see why we should use TrueType fonts instead of Type1 > fonts. There is a set of excellent Type1 fonts from URW included in > gsfonts package under GPL; there is an extension of these fonts with > Cyrillic glyphs

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Dmitry Borodaenko
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:08AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: AT>> I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community. AT>> Those people might have the same problem. Perhaps some Metafont to AT>> Truetype converter might do the trick??? Just an idea. MC> I've contacted some people

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Michael Stone <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and >> learning how to make our own tt fonts? > > A good font is a work of art. Your suggestion can be paraphrased, "how > about just starting a project and learning how to make our own

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Stone
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:28:48PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: > Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and > learning how to make our own tt fonts? A good font is a work of art. Your suggestion can be paraphrased, "how about just starting a project and learning how

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Richard Braakman
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:30AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: > My main concern at this point is that it may be infeasible to generate > high quality truetype fonts without using apple's patented truetype > instructions (which is only a small subset of instructions, but they > are commonly used

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Krzysztof Krzyzaniak
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 12:10:30AM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: [..] > I've contacted some people, to see if anyone knows of any public > domain, high quality true type fonts. Also pfaedit seems like it might > be able to generate good truetype fonts, but it's hinting code needs > some work. Th

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Joseph Carter
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:19:21AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > > Are there any 'opensource' font authors out > > there doing anthing interesting? > > Some GPL TT fonts: > > http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README > > It also points to an application he used to create them. These are not

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 09:19:21AM +0200, Jesus Climent wrote: > On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > > Some GPL TT fonts: > > http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README Forget about it. My mistake: no TT. J -- Jesus Climent | Unix System Admin | Helsinki, Finland.

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jesus Climent
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote: > > Are there any 'opensource' font authors out > there doing anthing interesting? > Some GPL TT fonts: http://www.ntrnet.net/~jmknoble/fonts/README It also points to an application

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Jan Nieuwenhuizen
Andreas Tille <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes: >> Which is why it would be better for someone to donate their time and >> make some free as in speech fonts. > I wonder if we could share this problem with the TeX community. Those > people might have the same problem. Perhaps some Metafont to Truetype

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Thu, Aug 15, 2002 at 08:34:54AM +0200, Andreas Tille wrote: > On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: > > > Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and > > learning how to make our own tt fonts? > Font creation is kind of a science. I'm really no expert but when

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Andreas Tille
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Michael Cardenas wrote: > Do we really need a font author? How about just starting a project and > learning how to make our own tt fonts? Font creation is kind of a science. I'm really no expert but when I spend some time in TeX and Metafont some years ago I've learned that i

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-15 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 05:28:48PM -0700, Michael Cardenas wrote: ... > 2001-12-21. Also, there is no license provided for the fonts. > ... The fonts and the metatype software are gpl'ed. -- michael cardenas | lead software engineer | lindows.com | hyperpoem.net "Being is what it is." - Jea

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-14 Thread Michael Cardenas
On Wed, Aug 14, 2002 at 06:48:06PM -0500, Scott Dier wrote: > On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote: > > > Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free > > (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts > > is unusable :( > > It would be i

Re: Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-14 Thread Scott Dier
On Mon, 2002-08-12 at 20:01, Martin Sarsale wrote: > Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free > (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is > unusable :( It would be interesting to investigate either if a font author could be convinced to cr

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2002-08-13 Thread Debian Bug Tracking System
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Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-13 Thread Junichi Uekawa
reassign 156503 msttcorefonts thanks > Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free > (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is > unusable :( > reassigning this bug to the appropriate package -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.netfort.gr.jp/

Bug#156503: microsoft changed its policy, msttcorefonts broken

2002-08-12 Thread Martin Sarsale
Package: general Version: N/A; reported 2002-08-12 Severity: grave Tags: upstream Justification: renders package unusable Since micro$oft stopped giving their true type fonts for free (http://www.microsoft.com/typography/fontpack/default.htm), msttcorefonts is unusable :( -- System Informatio