Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-07 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 11:35, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > Sandro Tosi writes: > >> Just a note that using Send-To requires to add a bug control file to >> each upload to bpo which I consider a huge overkill solution to that. > > reportbug's README.developers.gz suggests to use dpkg's Origin and Bug

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-07 Thread Ansgar Burchardt
Sandro Tosi writes: > Just a note that using Send-To requires to add a bug control file to > each upload to bpo which I consider a huge overkill solution to that. reportbug's README.developers.gz suggests to use dpkg's Origin and Bugs tags (see deb-control(5)) instead of Send-To. These fields c

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-06 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 06 Oct 2010, Sandro Tosi wrote: > On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 15:33, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 07:01:29PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >> >From a reportbug POV, it's not a big deal to redirect the reports for > >> bpo packages to something different than sub...@b.d.o.

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-06 Thread Sandro Tosi
On Wed, Oct 6, 2010 at 15:33, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 07:01:29PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: >> >From a reportbug POV, it's not a big deal to redirect the reports for >> bpo packages to something different than sub...@b.d.o. What I need to >> know is: >> >> - the address

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-10-06 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Thu, Sep 30, 2010 at 07:01:29PM +0200, Sandro Tosi wrote: > >From a reportbug POV, it's not a big deal to redirect the reports for > bpo packages to something different than sub...@b.d.o. What I need to > know is: > > - the address where to send the bugs > - a regular expression (bonus points i

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-30 Thread Sandro Tosi
Hi all, On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:19:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: >> On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: >> > From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not >> > the alternative solution) seems reason

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-28 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 01:29:46PM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 28/09/10 at 09:16 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:37:55AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > > OK, thanks for the clarification. Still, we need to decide—sort of > > > > now—whether we need to add s

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-28 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 28/09/10 at 09:16 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:37:55AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > > OK, thanks for the clarification. Still, we need to decide—sort of > > > now—whether we need to add support in reportbug for mailing backport > > > report bugs to the bpo li

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-28 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 12:37:55AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > OK, thanks for the clarification. Still, we need to decide—sort of > > now—whether we need to add support in reportbug for mailing backport > > report bugs to the bpo list or not (and that might require some time, as > > someone ne

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-27 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 27/09/10 at 10:14 +0200, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:19:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > > From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not > > > the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-27 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 01:19:20PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > > From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not > > the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and others in the > > thread. The proposal also seems to assu

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-23 Thread Don Armstrong
On Thu, 23 Sep 2010, Joerg Jaspert wrote: > Stepping in sideways here, but in case you can make use of them, > backports is creating the same debversion info like the main > archive. Want them synced to the bts? Yes, please. Don Armstrong -- Whatever you do will be insignificant, but it is ver

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-23 Thread Joerg Jaspert
>> From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not >> the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and others in the >> thread. The proposal also seems to assume a different Maintainer >> field for the bpo package, as hinted above, am I wrong Don? > Right. The idea here is

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-22 Thread Don Armstrong
On Wed, 22 Sep 2010, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > From what concerns the BTS, Don's proposal in [2] (the main one, not > the alternative solution) seems reasonable to me and others in the > thread. The proposal also seems to assume a different Maintainer > field for the bpo package, as hinted above,

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-22 Thread Felipe Sateler
On 22/09/10 13:53, Stefano Zacchiroli wrote: > Thinking about it, what we _conceptually_ need is pretty simple: a > mechanism to declare who is the Maintainer of the bpo package and > enforce its declaration. The responsibility of bpo maintenance will be > on the declared bpo maintainer. If the def

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-22 Thread Stefano Zacchiroli
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for > normal packages ("nor

Re: Bugs in Backported Packages [Was: Re: Backports service becoming official]

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 12:46:12PM -0700, Don Armstrong wrote: > On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Steve Langasek wrote: > > But when someone takes my package and uploads it somewhere other > > than the main Debian archive, they incur *all* the responsibilities > > of maintaining that package, including the res

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 3:52 AM, Russ Allbery wrote: > If there's any complexity in the backport, that's probably true.  But I'll > note here that for all the backports I do for my packages, all the changes > in the backport are mechanical (and automated) and maintaining that in a > VCS is just mo

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Gerfried Fuchs writes: > To me the solution is to see the person who does the backport as a part > of the packaging team. There is the need for having a communication > channel between the people anyway. Actually more and more packages are > moved into team maintenance and I'm pretty puzzled abo

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Russ Allbery
Bernd Zeimetz writes: > On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: >> I don't think it is. I have no problem with people backporting any of >> my packages that are useful to them, but I shouldn't have to read bug >> mail for them. I have enough bugs of my own. > Chances are good that htese

Bugs in Backported Packages [Was: Re: Backports service becoming official]

2010-09-07 Thread Don Armstrong
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Steve Langasek wrote: > But when someone takes my package and uploads it somewhere other > than the main Debian archive, they incur *all* the responsibilities > of maintaining that package, including the responsibility of > appropriately triaging bug reports and forwarding them

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-09-07, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: >> On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >>> That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by >>> backports of your packages is quite an exception, >> >> I don't think it

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:05:29PM +0200, Bernd Zeimetz wrote: > On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by > >> backports of your packages is quite an except

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Iustin Pop
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 08:35:05PM +0200, Gerfried Fuchs wrote: > I really would like to see us trying to work together more effectively > instead of objecting to things right ahead without even knowing wether > it is such a big relevant deal to make a fuzz about. IMHO it isn't, far > from it. We

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Alexander Wirt
Lucas Nussbaum schrieb am Tuesday, den 07. September 2010: Hi, > > > Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): > > > > Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs > > > > relevant to backporte

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Gerfried Fuchs
Hi! * Simon McVittie [2010-09-06 19:33:34 CEST]: > On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 at 17:52:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > > What are the BTS limitations ? > > I assume the relevant limitation is that in the BTS' data model, each source > package has a single maintainer, whereas the maintainer of a

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Jan Hauke Rahm
Hi, On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 02:38:32PM +0200, Raphael Hertzog wrote: > On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > > personally prefer if we had the same r

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 09/07/2010 05:57 PM, Steve Langasek wrote: > On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: >> That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by >> backports of your packages is quite an exception, > > I don't think it is. I have no problem with people backporti

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Ludovico Cavedon
On 09/06/2010 10:46 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for > normal packages ("normal" backport main

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Steve Langasek
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 11:40:09AM +0200, Holger Levsen wrote: > That I dont think it is. I think you not wanting t be bothered by > backports of your packages is quite an exception, I don't think it is. I have no problem with people backporting any of my packages that are useful to them, but I s

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Sune Vuorela wrote: > I'm not planning to ever provide backports of any of my packages, and > while others are welcome to do it, I do not in any way want to be > bothered by their bugs or upload emails or anything. Which would call for filtering, not for keeping the bad status

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Raphael Hertzog
Hi, On Tue, 07 Sep 2010, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for > normal packages ("normal" backport ma

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Holger Levsen
Hi, On Dienstag, 7. September 2010, Sune Vuorela wrote: > On 2010-09-07, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > > personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages o

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Sune Vuorela
On 2010-09-07, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for > normal packages ("normal" backport maintainer =

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Iustin Pop
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > time to reconsider the maintenance model of backports. I would > personally prefer if we had the same rules of packages ownership as for > normal packages ("nor

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Paul Wise
On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 1:46 PM, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > Now that backports are becoming official, I think that it is the right > time to reconsider Some other possibilities; Move *-backports (and *-volatile) into the main archive like they are in Ubuntu. Merge the backports website into www.de

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-07 Thread Mike Hommey
On Tue, Sep 07, 2010 at 07:46:56AM +0200, Lucas Nussbaum wrote: > On 06/09/10 at 20:32 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > > On Lu, 06 sep 10, 17:52:17, Ian Jackson wrote: > > > Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): > > > >

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Lucas Nussbaum
On 06/09/10 at 20:32 +0300, Andrei Popescu wrote: > On Lu, 06 sep 10, 17:52:17, Ian Jackson wrote: > > Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): > > > Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs > > > relev

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Bernd Zeimetz
On 09/06/2010 07:33 PM, Simon McVittie wrote: > On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 at 17:52:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: >> Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): >>> Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs >>>

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Simon McVittie
On Mon, 06 Sep 2010 at 17:52:17 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): > > Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs > > relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to th

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Andrei Popescu
On Lu, 06 sep 10, 17:52:17, Ian Jackson wrote: > Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): > > Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs > > relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to the >

Re: Backports service becoming official

2010-09-06 Thread Ian Jackson
Alexander Reichle-Schmehl writes ("Backports service becoming official"): > Because of limitations in the Debian Bug Tracking System, any bugs > relevant to backported packages still have to be reported to the > debian-backports [3] list, which have now also been moved to &g