Mark W. Eichin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> ps. Of course the behaviour in paragraph 2 has nothing to do with unix
> either; unix terminal handling is far too primitive for that. Long
> Live Multics :-)
Of course, nowadays the "interact" command under expect can easily
handle this kind of thing..
> I heard that the original DEC vt100? terminals had delete there and so they
Nope. The VT100 *actually* had both keys there:
+--++--++--+
|~`||BS||BK|
+--++--++--+
+---++--+
| ||DL|
| |+--+
+--+ |+--+
| RET ||\||
+--++--+
where "RET" was labeled RET
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Will Lowe) wrote on 08.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
>
> > BTW I'd be interested to hear any justification of why <--- == DEL
>
> Well, from a sheer visual standpoint, seeing an arrow pointing to the
> left, like on the BS key (<--),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Alexander E. Apke) wrote on 08.12.97 in <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I think there is another reason for choosing <--- == BS, for
> internationalization. I believe it requires <--- == BS, though I am not
> entirely sure. This may be the reason for the push for <--- == BS, eve
On Mon, Dec 08, 1997 at 07:38:00PM -0500, Will Lowe wrote:
> On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
>
> > BTW I'd be interested to hear any justification of why <--- == DEL
>
> Well, from a sheer visual standpoint, seeing an arrow pointing to the
> left, like on the BS key (<--), makes one t
> Well, from a sheer visual standpoint, seeing an arrow pointing to the
> left, like on the BS key (<--), makes one think that pushing that
> button's going to move the cursor that way, just like the other arrow
> keys. I've NEVER understood the funky behavior of the BS key on *nix.
I think
On Tue, 9 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
> BTW I'd be interested to hear any justification of why <--- == DEL
Well, from a sheer visual standpoint, seeing an arrow pointing to the
left, like on the BS key (<--), makes one think that pushing that
button's going to move the cursor that way, jus
> I agree, but if feel the opposite <--- == BS should be default
> because most linux users come from the dos world, and the keys on a linux
> terminal/xterm should act the same as in dos. Emacs users know more about
> unix and therfore should know how to change stty erase
Um, how does a no
On Mon, Dec 8 1997 10:58 GMT Philip Hands writes:
> <--- == DEL is standard in Linux-land at the moment (very strong argument
> for keeping it that way IMHO)
This comes from the fact, that the Linux VC is emulating a VT102.
David
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> Here are a few related pros and cons.
>
> <--- == BS, but we must decide on one or the other as the installation
> default.
>
> <--- == BS sounds right. IMHO this is just silly.
>
> <--- == DEL is different from DOS. This to is just silly
>
> <--- == DEL gives us an extra usable key on th
Remco Blaakmeer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I started using PCs when the only choice for me was MS-DOS with probably
> MS-Windows 3.0 on it. Things were easy back then. The 'Backspace' key did
> 'Backspace' and the 'Delete' key did 'Delete', just like the letters on
> the keys said.
>
> A year ag
On Mon 08 Dec 1997, Remco Blaakmeer wrote:
>
> I just want to be able to use both the 'Backspace' key and the 'Delete'
> key on any VC, xterm or rxvt and I want them to do just what I expect them
> to do, which is the same as what they do in MS-DOS.
>
> Now, if I am seeing it totally wrong, then
On Sun Dec 7 21:56:55 1997 +
(Sekmadienis, 1997 m. gruodÅio 7 d. 23:56:55 +0200),
Philip Hands wrote:
> Sorry, but don't we keep on agreeing that the <--- key generating DEL is the
> right thing to do ?
>
No, I don't think so.
> I could have sworn that I've been in sev
On Sun, 7 Dec 1997, Philip Hands wrote:
> Sorry, but don't we keep on agreeing that the <--- key generating DEL is the
> right thing to do ?
No, we don't.
> I could have sworn that I've been in several discussions that resulted in
> that
> conclusion, with the caveat that people should be abl
> On Sun Dec 7 09:15:28 1997 +
>(Sekmadienis, 1997 m. gruodio 7 d. 11:15:28 +0200),
> Mark Baker wrote:
>
> > In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes:
> >
> > > Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set
> > > to
On Sun Dec 7 09:15:28 1997 +
(Sekmadienis, 1997 m. gruodÅio 7 d. 11:15:28 +0200),
Mark Baker wrote:
> In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes:
>
> > Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set
> > to ^H. From this
In article <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Brian Mays) writes:
> Okay. I'm building a new unstable version of rxvt with backspace set
> to ^H. From this point on, Debian's rxvt policy will be to use ^H as
> backspace by default.
Couldn't you force it to ^? instead? That would be
> Brian Mays wrote:
>> This is the rxvt maintainer here. Rxvt has many optional
>> compile-time features, one of which is the behavior of the
>> backspace key. Normally, I avoid modifying as many of the
>> "upstream" settings as possible, unless someone gives me a
>> vali
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