Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-03 Thread Adrian von Bidder
On Friday 02 December 2005 14.13, Kevin Locke wrote: > Would it be better to spend our time adding features to the Gnome Power > Manager and equivalents instead of creating a separate program? The problem here is the *Gnome and equivalents*. IMHO any work spent to extend the functionality of the

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Nobody said the user can't give his input on how the service will behave. > > That's what the GUI is for, and what configuration files are for. > > The user needs to be able to configure this w

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nobody said the user can't give his input on how the service will behave. > That's what the GUI is for, and what configuration files are for. The user needs to be able to configure this without any form of excessive privileges, which means

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > 1. power management is system infrastructure. I can explain WHY it > > is so, but I don't think many people would argue that power > > management is an user-level service. > >

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 1. power management is system infrastructure. I can explain WHY it > is so, but I don't think many people would argue that power > management is an user-level service. Whether a laptop suspends when you close the lid is a per-

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Kevin Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Interesting. I wasn't aware to what extent HAL is able to notify > programs about power-related events. In fact, we had briefly discussed > receiving events from HAL in addition to the power-daemons. Perhaps > with some work, we would be able to rely com

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005, Kevin Locke wrote: > What are your (or anyone else's) thoughts about the value of a daemon to > invoke scripts based on the power-related HAL events? Is this > unnecessary given the function of the GNOME Power Manager and > equivalents, or would it have enough value to be wort

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Frank Küster
Kevin Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > However, I realize that the > GNOME Power Manager[1], and likely a KDE equivalent, already handles > several of the tasks normally associated with power-management, so > perhaps there is no need for another program to be handling events. > > What are your (

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Kevin Locke
On Fri, 2005-12-02 at 10:47 +, Matthew Garrett wrote: > Kevin Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > Fundamentally, our goal is to create an architecture-independent, > > power-system-independent, and power-daemon-independent system to handle > > power-related events (e.g. lid close, battery

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Can I tell HAL to just handle power management instead of touching anything > else, and get it to do the right thing in a headless, GUIless server > environment? Can I do that with standard, system-wide configuration files? HAL on its own

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005, Matthew Garrett wrote: > To a large extent, this sort of work is currently being done in HAL. Is > there any need to create another level of abstraction, or should we just > work on that? It also sounds (though I'm not certain) like you're Can I tell HAL to just handle power m

Re: Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-02 Thread Matthew Garrett
Kevin Locke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Fundamentally, our goal is to create an architecture-independent, > power-system-independent, and power-daemon-independent system to handle > power-related events (e.g. lid close, battery events). This will likely > happen by hooks from the power daemons (

Announcement: Common Power-Management Framework

2005-12-01 Thread Kevin Locke
Greetings -devel, It is my pleasure to announce the creation of a project to create a common power-management framework[1] for Debian (and eventually, the world). This idea, in various forms, has been discussed several times in the past[2][3] with a generally positive response. These ideas have