Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-27 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/27/2012 05:28 AM, Andrei POPESCU wrote: > On Lu, 26 nov 12, 20:03:54, Thomas Goirand wrote: >> The solution to this is very simple. Have the >> mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header >> on each messages. > I thought Reply-To: was to be used (only) by the people who do want a > Cc. Th

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-27 Thread Vincent Danjean
Le 26/11/2012 15:34, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > On 11/26/2012 03:06 PM, Vincent Danjean wrote: >> Not always. My ISP (French "Free/Proxad") seems to filter mail with >> the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a few minutes?) >> [...] >> Changing of ISP is not really an option (other F

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 26, 2012, at 08:03 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: >The solution to this is very simple. Have the mailing list manager to add a >Reply-To: header on each messages. > >I've done this on few of the lists I manage, and since then, nobody sends >double-messages. > >But, probably, mailman is too stupi

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 26 nov 12, 20:03:54, Thomas Goirand wrote: > The solution to this is very simple. Have the > mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header > on each messages. I thought Reply-To: was to be used (only) by the people who do want a Cc. Kind regards, Andrei -- Offtopic discussions among Deb

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Andrei POPESCU
On Lu, 26 nov 12, 01:10:13, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > > But in general with CC's to the mailing lists, both To: & Cc: headers > have debian-devel & yourself in both messages and List-Id only in one > of them. So surely you can filter one copy to /dev/null as > appropriate?! I've considered to add

Reply-To munging (was: Re: "Do not CC me")

2012-11-26 Thread Bjørn Mork
Thomas Goirand writes: > The solution to this is very simple. Have the > mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header > on each messages. > > I've done this on few of the lists I manage, and since > then, nobody sends double-messages. > > But, probably, mailman is too stupid to have such > kind

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/26/2012 03:06 PM, Vincent Danjean wrote: > Not always. My ISP (French "Free/Proxad") seems to filter mail with > the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a few minutes?) > [...] > Changing of ISP is not really an option (other French ISP are often > less respecting of the standar

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/26/2012 08:35 PM, Josselin Mouette wrote: > Le lundi 26 novembre 2012 à 20:03 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : >> The solution to this is very simple. Have the >> mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header >> on each messages. >> >> I've done this on few of the lists I manage, and since >

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/26/2012 08:22 AM, Andrew Shadura wrote: Hello, On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:07:03 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: Gmail does something similar, except not time-limited; it won't even re-send you a copy of a mail you send to a mailing list. This is apparently on the grounds that you already have

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Andrew Shadura
Hello, On Mon, 26 Nov 2012 08:07:03 -0500 The Wanderer wrote: > Gmail does something similar, except not time-limited; it won't even > re-send you a copy of a mail you send to a mailing list. This is > apparently on the grounds that you already have a copy under "Sent > Items" or equivalent, and

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/26/2012 02:06 AM, Vincent Danjean wrote: Hi, Le 26/11/2012 04:41, Russ Allbery a écrit : When someone copies you on a message to a mailing list, you get two copies, Not always. My ISP (French "Free/Proxad") seems to filter mail with the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 novembre 2012 à 13:32 +0100, Helmut Grohne a écrit : > It breaks a valid use case. Consider a user not subscribed to > debian-devel (for instance because she wishes to avoid all those useless > flames). Said users sends a mail and actually wants CC. She therefore > adds a sensible Mail

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 08:03:54PM +0800, Thomas Goirand wrote: > The solution to this is very simple. Have the > mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header > on each messages. As you pointed out the "solution" is technically wrong. > But, probably, mailman is too stupid to have such > kind o

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Josselin Mouette
Le lundi 26 novembre 2012 à 20:03 +0800, Thomas Goirand a écrit : > The solution to this is very simple. Have the > mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header > on each messages. > > I've done this on few of the lists I manage, and since > then, nobody sends double-messages. Does it mean non

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:03 PM, Thomas Goirand wrote: > The solution to this is very simple. Have the > mailing list manager to add a Reply-To: header > on each messages. > > I've done this on few of the lists I manage, and since > then, nobody sends double-messages. > > But, probably, mailman i

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Thomas Goirand
On 11/26/2012 04:27 AM, Игорь Пашев wrote: > Hi there! > > I see many note in this list like: > "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." > > So I'd like to note: > > 1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For example GMail ha

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Helmut Grohne
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27:31AM +0400, ?? ?? wrote: > I see many note in this list like: > "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." Technically this is a solved problem. The solution is called Mail-Followup-To[1]. Due to the popularity of

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Paul Wise , 2012-11-26, 17:34: And to add to the confusion, the BTS does not automatically subscribe the contributors to a thread, As a submitter of bugs, I do not need (nor want) to be CCed on every mail to a bug, just the ones that require my input. ACK So I would oppose subscribing submi

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Paul Wise
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:23 PM, Charles Plessy wrote: > And to add to the confusion, the BTS does not automatically subscribe the > contributors to a thread, As a submitter of bugs, I do not need (nor want) to be CCed on every mail to a bug, just the ones that require my input. So I would oppose

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Charles Plessy
Le Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07:59AM +0100, Guillem Jover a écrit : > > In any case, I don't mind much adapting to either mailing list usage (w/ > or w/o explicit CC), but I've increasingly been finding that the no-CC > policy is not w/o fault, being inconsistent (because you don't know > off-hand w

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-26 Thread Guillem Jover
On Sun, 2012-11-25 at 19:41:12 -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: > Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > > Well, the software to do it is around for more than 15 years. Google > > for "procmail duplicate suppression". > > This works exactly backwards of how useful duplicate suppression would > actually

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Raphael Hertzog
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > I see. I went back to check my email archive. I have found two > instances of debian-devel posts that did CC my @debian.org email > address (I am also subscribed to debian devel via @debian.org). I only > have one email. It is sorted correctly. I am st

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Timo Juhani Lindfors
Vincent Danjean writes: > Not always. My ISP (French "Free/Proxad") seems to filter mail with > the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a few minutes?) Interesting, this could explain the oddities that I've seen too. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-requ...@lists.debian.org

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Vincent Danjean
Hi, Le 26/11/2012 04:41, Russ Allbery a écrit : > When someone copies you on a message to a mailing list, you get two > copies, Not always. My ISP (French "Free/Proxad") seems to filter mail with the same Message-ID sent in a few period of time (a few minutes?) When I discovered that (of cour

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Russ Allbery
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes: > Well, the software to do it is around for more than 15 years. Google > for "procmail duplicate suppression". This works exactly backwards of how useful duplicate suppression would actually work. When someone copies you on a message to a mailing list, you g

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread The Wanderer
On 11/25/2012 08:12 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Jakub Wilk wrote: * Dmitrijs Ledkovs , 2012-11-26, 00:19: If your e-mail processing machinery cannot handle duplicate messages (due to cross-postings and CC's), maybe you should get an a better email processing m

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Henrique de Moraes Holschuh
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, Jakub Wilk wrote: > * Dmitrijs Ledkovs , 2012-11-26, 00:19: > >If your e-mail processing machinery cannot handle duplicate > >messages (due to cross-postings and CC's), maybe you should get an > >a better email processing machinery. Receiving duplicate emails is > >inevitable,

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
On 26 November 2012 00:50, brian m. carlson wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:19:18AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: >> If your e-mail processing machinery cannot handle duplicate messages >> (due to cross-postings and CC's), maybe you should get an a better >> email processing machinery. Receiv

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread brian m. carlson
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:19:18AM +, Dmitrijs Ledkovs wrote: > If your e-mail processing machinery cannot handle duplicate messages > (due to cross-postings and CC's), maybe you should get an a better > email processing machinery. Receiving duplicate emails is inevitable, > and trivial to deal

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Jakub Wilk
* Dmitrijs Ledkovs , 2012-11-26, 00:19: If your e-mail processing machinery cannot handle duplicate messages (due to cross-postings and CC's), maybe you should get an a better email processing machinery. Receiving duplicate emails is inevitable, and trivial to deal with. Oh really? I've alway

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Barry Warsaw
On Nov 25, 2012, at 11:50 PM, Arno Töll wrote: >It's annoying and it wastes my time to deal with duplicates. If yor MUA >can't handle mailing lists properly, get a better MUA. +1 on keeping >things as they are. Maybe it takes longer than 14 years for MUAs to implement standards[1]. ;) (Yes, that

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Dmitrijs Ledkovs
Hello there, On 25 November 2012 20:35, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, 07:27:31 LHST, Игорь Пашев wrote: > >> Hi there! >> >> I see many note in this list like: >> "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." >> >>

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Chow Loong Jin
On 26/11/2012 05:49, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 07:35:32AM +1100, Karl Goetz wrote: >> On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, 07:27:31 LHST, Игорь Пашев >> wrote: >> >>> Hi there! >>> >>> I see many note in this list like: >>&g

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Arno Töll
On 25.11.2012 22:49, Paul Tagliamonte wrote: > It's annoying and it wastes my time. If your MUA can't handle a CC, get > a better MUA. +1 to removing the CC rule. It's annoying and it wastes my time to deal with duplicates. If yor MUA can't handle mailing lists properly, get a better MUA. +1 on ke

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Paul Tagliamonte
On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 07:35:32AM +1100, Karl Goetz wrote: > On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, 07:27:31 LHST, Игорь Пашев wrote: > > > Hi there! > > > > I see many note in this list like: > > "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." > >

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Karl Goetz
On Mon, 26 Nov 2012, 07:27:31 LHST, Игорь Пашев wrote: > Hi there! > > I see many note in this list like: > "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." > > So I'd like to note: > > 1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For exa

Re: "Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Michael Banck
Hi, On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 12:27:31AM +0400, Игорь Пашев wrote: > I see many note in this list like: > "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." This is a technical list. Please discuss non-technical issues like the above elsewhere, e.g. on debian-proje

"Do not CC me"

2012-11-25 Thread Игорь Пашев
Hi there! I see many note in this list like: "I'm registered to the list. So please *do not* Cc: me." So I'd like to note: 1. Some e-mail cleints make it hard not to CC. For example GMail has only two options: reply and reply to all. "Reply" will send email to