Re: Categorially refusing to exercise DPL powers (was: ITN procedure?)

2025-05-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
G. Branden Robinson dijo [Thu, May 08, 2025 at 03:49:08AM -0500]: > > this GR does happen (and I'm confident it will), someone else will be > > DPL. > > In future DPL campaigns, I encourage the electorate to insist that each > candidate disclose which powers of the office they categorically refus

Re: Re: Proposal -- Interpretation of DFSG on Artificial Intelligence (AI) Models

2025-04-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stephan Verbücheln dijo [Mon, Apr 28, 2025 at 03:46:27PM +]: (...) The “source code” for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. In that definition, training data is quite obviously relevant. No one tweaks neural network model weights manually. Compare

Re: Flames, flames on the side of my face (Was: Bug#88588: libpam-modules: pam-limits.so is broken)

2025-02-26 Thread wolf
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Re: Reminder: Call for Debian projects and mentors in Google Summer of Code 2025

2025-02-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Just as a PSA... Abhijith PA dijo [Mon, Feb 10, 2025 at 07:56:39PM +0530]: > Hi, > > This is a *reminder* call to submit Debian projects for GSoC25. The > deadline for the same is Feb 11 1800 UTC. (roughly ~27 hours) > > == Proposing a Project == > > Add your project idea to the GSoC'25 Debian

Re: Q: Ubuntu PPA induced version ordering mess.

2024-07-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Alec Leamas dijo [Tue, Jul 02, 2024 at 01:59:26AM +0200]: > So, at least three possible paths: > > 1. Persuade users to uninstall PPA packages before installing official > packages and also generation 2 PPA packages with sane versions like 5.10.x > > 2. Use versions like 9000.5.10, 9000.5.12. etc

Re: Mini-DebConf in Cambridge, UK - October 10-13 2024

2024-06-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Roberto C. Sánchez dijo [Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 06:14:54AM -0400]: > On Tue, Jun 25, 2024 at 08:39:51AM +0530, Nilesh Patra wrote: > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:32:59PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > > On Mon, Jun 24, 2024 at 12:18:56PM +0200, somebody *claiming* to be Luna > > > Jernberg wrote:

Re: About i386 support

2024-06-14 Thread Gunnar Wolf
rhys dijo [Fri, Jun 14, 2024 at 01:09:18PM -0500]: > My response remains the same. If it only affects a small slice of > systems that already represent a small slice of systems, it becomes > untenably difficult to chase that one bug that affects that one > case. > > But that does not translate in

Re: DEP17 /usr-move: debootstrap set uploaded

2024-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Helmut Grohne dijo [Thu, Jun 06, 2024 at 09:28:52AM +0200]: > Hello, > > I have just uploaded > * base-files > * bash > * dash > * glibc > * util-linux > to unstable. These were the last remaining packages shipping aliased > files inside the package set relevant to debootstrap. > (...) > Than

Re: Firmwares (was Re: Bits from the DPL)

2024-04-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andrey Rakhmatullin dijo [Mon, Apr 01, 2024 at 10:41:45PM +0500]: > Why is updating the firmware packages not trivial? Is it because of > licensing issues? I always thought it's just copying a bunch of files from > the linux-firmware repo (but I also often wondered why is the package > often not up

Re: Questionable Package Present in Debian: fortune-mod

2023-08-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Dominik George dijo [Fri, Aug 18, 2023 at 11:43:03PM +0200]: > > So, let's at least be consistent. > > Totally agree with that. > > Debian is not a collection of harmful content, it is an operating system. > > But, unfortunately, there are too many people in the project who think, in the > name

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon McVittie dijo [Thu, Jun 08, 2023 at 10:33:45AM +0100]: > - For game-related use cases in particular, 2030 GPU models aren't going > to work with 2023 user-space graphics drivers (typically Mesa or > NVIDIA-proprietary) because the 2030 GPU didn't exist yet at the time > the 2023 driver

Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal

2023-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon McVittie dijo [Tue, Jun 06, 2023 at 11:45:26AM +0100]: > On Tue, 06 Jun 2023 at 09:33:22 +0200, Helmut Grohne wrote: > > Judging from the conversation, killing i386 quite obviously is desired > > by some participants, but evidently not by all. How quickly we want to > > kill it is not obvious

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
John Goerzen dijo [Wed, May 31, 2023 at 07:29:38AM -0500]: > (...) > I guess the question is: is this use case too niche for Debian to > continue supporting? I would suggest that as long as we have 32-bit > ARM, are the challenges for 32-bit x86 really worse? Do note, however, the ARM64 started a

Re: i386 in the future (was Re: 64-bit time_t transition for 32-bit archs: a proposal)

2023-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Alexandre Detiste dijo [Wed, May 31, 2023 at 01:00:42PM +0200]: > Le mer. 31 mai 2023 à 12:44, Wouter Verhelst a écrit : > > 20+ year old machines are typically more power hungry, more expensive, > > less performant, and less reliable than an up-to-date raspberry pi. > > Embedded systems and medi

Re: Problem with detection of hard disks on a hub

2023-04-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ralf Lehmeier dijo [Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 06:43:42PM +0200]: > No problem. > I already moved the part with the hub alternative to > linux.debian.user.german. > But the part with the question why Debian does not recognize the hub, > although Manjaro does, should interest the Debian developers. > Ther

Re: Problem with detection of hard disks on a hub

2023-04-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ralf Lehmeier dijo [Mon, Apr 10, 2023 at 03:21:38PM +0200]: > Andrey Rakhmatullin schrieb: > > The user support list is debain-user@ > > > > Thanks for the tip. > I will ask the question again on linux.debian.user.german. > > But one question remains unanswered. > Why are the disks recognized un

Re: Introducing Declarative Debian

2023-04-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Didier 'OdyX' Raboud dijo [Sun, Apr 02, 2023 at 03:54:55PM +0200]: > > For example: > > * httpserver-is-apache > > * imapserver-is-dovecot > > You need to think larger! > > * christoph-got-you-to-think-about-this-seriously > * april-s-fool-is-less-and-less-fun-in-an-era-of-fakenews > * I-genuinel

Re: my package uploads silently rejected

2022-11-30 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonas Smedegaard dijo [Wed, Nov 30, 2022 at 03:03:14PM +0100]: > Hi, > > I am unable to succesfully dput packages. Most likely the cause is my > too late updating my PGP key expiry date - but that should be solved by > now, and I am unable to figure out how to debug the problem or whom to > conta

RFH: Packaging Intel's userspace tools for Data Streaming Accelerator

2022-10-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi all, I was recently approached by Intel engineers Miguel and Jair (Cc:ed on this mail). They asked for my help in getting Debian Bookworm and higher to support the Data Streaming Accelerator, and we have exchanged a couple of messages about this. I'm reproducing next part of our conversation.

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hakan Bayındır dijo [Thu, Apr 21, 2022 at 09:21:07PM +0300]: > A further evolution of this idea might be adding another question to > Debian Installer regarding to non-free software. > > If the users choose “No” for enabling non-free repositories, another > question might ask “Your system seems to

Re: Keep both images but stop pretending no-free is unofficial

2022-04-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Marc Haber dijo [Tue, Apr 19, 2022 at 06:56:54PM +0200]: > On Tue, 19 Apr 2022 08:21:10 -0600, Sam Hartman > wrote: > >One valuable suggestion was to make sure users could easily select > >freedom if that's what they wanted. > >So I think a free installation image is important. > > Would that not

Re: getting pinta updated in Debian

2022-03-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Timotheus Pokorra dijo [Wed, Mar 02, 2022 at 10:35:36PM +0100]: > Hello Mike, > > I have some experience with Mono packaging in Fedora. > I know of the dotnet SIG in Fedora. They made a massive effort, involving > Microsoft employees, to get dotnet core built according to the Fedora rules > (build

Re: developers-reference "vs" wiki.debian.org/DebianMaintainer

2022-02-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Holger Levsen dijo [Thu, Feb 10, 2022 at 11:49:05AM +]: > hi, > > so Stephan Lachnit submitted an MR for developers-reference on Monday to > document how to grant DM upload permissions, which I gladly merged, even > though I was aware of "#653399: developers-reference: Please include a > para

Re: Debian's branches and release model

2021-10-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 10:51:59PM +0200]: > >> That's obviously what I'm doing. But when there's 2 releases during the > >> freeze, it means one of them will never reach Unstable. > > > > Right, which makes perfect sense. > (...) > > I guess very few will, but if it's needed, it

Re: Debian's branches and release model

2021-10-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Wed, Oct 20, 2021 at 09:11:13AM +0200]: > > You can upload it to experimental > > That's obviously what I'm doing. But when there's 2 releases during the > freeze, it means one of them will never reach Unstable. Right, which makes perfect sense. The group of people intereste

Re: Finding rough consensus on level of vendoring for large upstreams

2021-09-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Phil Morrell dijo [Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 02:04:44AM +0100]: > On Fri, Sep 03, 2021 at 01:03:35AM +0200, Jérémy Lal wrote: > > - should a package debian/control list bundled dependencies to make > > sure to avoid duplications ? > > Maybe? I noted in my final paragraph that Fedora has a mechanism for

Re: Shall we serve scripts as application or as text?

2021-08-30 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon McVittie dijo [Sun, Aug 29, 2021 at 03:13:02PM +0100]: > Using types outside text/ is definitely appropriate for very verbose text > languages like SVG and "flat" OpenDocument, where it's *technically* > text, and *technically* you could edit it with a text editor, but in > practice that's ra

Re: Future of /usr/bin/which in Debian?

2021-08-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Clint Adams dijo [Wed, Aug 18, 2021 at 04:20:02AM +]: > > Besides, will the new "which" tool be installed in Debian by default? Since > > debianutils is Essential:yes, not providing "which" tool by default could > > probably break some existing packages. > > My personal opinion is that no one

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
As I said, on a separate mail... Marc Haber dijo [Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 07:12:24AM +0200]: > In an ideal world, would the package manager not be a service utility > to SUPPORT policy and adapt to changing environment contitions instead > being a showstopper for innovation? > > Who is the dpkg main

Re: merged /usr considered harmful (was Re: Bits from the Technical Committee)

2021-07-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sorry to single you out here, Marc -- This goes to many people. This goes, in fact, to the discussion itself. Marc Haber dijo [Mon, Jul 19, 2021 at 07:12:24AM +0200]: > In an ideal world, would the package manager not be a service utility > to SUPPORT policy and adapt to changing environment conti

Bug#990010: ITP: mymake -- A tool for compiling C/C++ programs

2021-06-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, Filip Strömbäck * Package name: mymake Version : 2.2.0 Upstream Author : Filip Strömbäck * URL : https://github.com/fstromback/mymake/ * License : MIT

Bug#990009: ITP: progvis -- Program visualization tool for C/C++ (and others)

2021-06-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Gunnar Wolf X-Debbugs-Cc: debian-devel@lists.debian.org, Filip Strömbäck * Package name: progvis Version : 0.5.7 Upstream Author : Filip Strömbäck * URL : https://storm-lang.org/index.php?q=06-Programs%2F01-Progvis.md

Re: Reconsider sending ITP bugs to debian-devel: a new list?

2021-06-11 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve McIntyre dijo [Fri, Jun 11, 2021 at 01:45:20PM +]: > >I think the ITP mails can make reading the rest of the list difficult > >without extra local filtering or steps. Some times they are the > >majority of the list traffic. I think it would be better if > >ITP mail went to a separate, de

Re: Request for Pricing

2021-05-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hello Tony, I don't know where you got this mail address as a source for providing the goods you need, but it's not correct -- Debian is a volunteer organization that produces a distribution of the free "Linux" operating system. We cannot provide what you require. Andrej Shadura dijo [Fri, May 07

Re: Thanks and Decision making working group (was Re: General Resolution: Statement regarding Richard Stallman's readmission to the FSF board result)

2021-04-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Langasek dijo [Tue, Apr 20, 2021 at 01:53:02PM -0700]: > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 11:25:50PM +0300, Adrian Bunk wrote: > > On Mon, Apr 19, 2021 at 12:31:51PM -0700, Steve Langasek wrote: > > > > IMHO, it's better to have a vote quickly on a limited set of GR options, > > > with the possibilit

Re: a proper-unix meta package (Re: Proposal: plocate as standard for bookworm)

2021-02-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonathan Carter dijo [Wed, Feb 10, 2021 at 07:29:14PM +0200]: > >> Define "proper Unix"... > > > > The definition depends on whether you are a longhair or shorthair. > > If you're a proper blue-haired person, then the only proper Unix is Debian. Please do note that your definition might be of su

Re: DAM Key and identity requirements

2020-09-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mattia Rizzolo dijo [Thu, Sep 24, 2020 at 11:45:48AM +0200]: > > > * Minimum key size and acceptable algorithms are actually the domain of > > >keyring-maint, and we just check those for them. > > >At the time of writing this, a new key must be larger than 1024bits, > > >ideally at lea

Re: RFC: Final update of DEP-14 on naming of git packaging branches

2020-08-29 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Seconded. Thanks! Raphael Hertzog dijo [Sat, Aug 29, 2020 at 01:01:09AM +0200]: > Hello, > > following the recent discussions of June and of the last days, I'm > proposing the changes below to DEP-14. Basically it replaces debian/master > with debian/latest for all the reasons already discussed e

Re: DEP-14: renaming master to main?

2020-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Colin Watson dijo [Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 10:13:31PM +0100]: > I think my ranked preferences are: > > 1. devel (for the sorts of reasons smcv@ gave; also, debian/devel is a > nice allusion to this list) > 2. trunk (historical familiarity from other VCSes) > 3. main or maybe mainline (some tab

Re: Pimp your shell - Debian developer tips?

2020-06-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hello world, Like Paul said in his reply, I also have a "bash monstrosity" as a Bash prompt. I last spent time tweaking it many years ago, so... This migh reflect what my head was like in the past, not today :-] I am attaching here the relevant portion of my .bashrc > Basically the only improvem

Re: [Summary]: RFC: Standardizing source package artifacts build paths

2020-05-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Biebl dijo [Mon, May 04, 2020 at 11:51:05AM +0200]: > >> Personally, I don't see any real benefit of standardizing on (making up an > >> example here) debian/.build over debian/build. > > > > Same here. The arguments against debian/build are very weak. If we care > > about a source packag

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz dijo [Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 08:40:43PM +0100]: > >> The only problem you mentioned was vim-tiny (arch: any) depending on > >> vim-common (arch: all) and these sometimes getting out of sync on Debian > >> Ports. I don't think that is a good reason to switch editors and ther

Re: RFC: Replacing vim-tiny with nano in essential packages

2020-03-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ansgar dijo [Tue, Mar 17, 2020 at 09:49:49AM +0100]: > And Debian ships vim-tiny, not vim, as part of the minimal > installation. That the same source package also builds other versions > doesn't really matter for vim-tiny. > > The only problem you mentioned was vim-tiny (arch: any) depending on >

Re: BITS from the DPL For September/October 2019

2019-10-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Simon Richter dijo [Wed, Oct 30, 2019 at 12:46:21PM +0100]: > Hi, > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2019 at 10:38:32PM +0100, Thomas Goirand wrote: > > > If we have such vote again, I'll continue on this direction: I'd prefer > > if we didn't have to vote. > > >From a Policy perspective, packages are supposed

Re: Survey: git packaging practices / repository format

2019-05-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, May 28, 2019 at 04:51:10PM +0100]: > While trying to write the dgit FAQ, and some of the relevant docs, it > has become even more painfully obvious that we lack a good handle on > what all the different ways are that people use git to do their Debian > packaging, and what peo

Re: Leftover in ftp-master.debian.org/dm.txt after DM -> DD transition

2018-08-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Boyuan Yang dijo [Sun, Aug 26, 2018 at 12:17:17PM -0400]: > Hello all, > > My role in Debian recently changed from Debian Maintainer to Debian > Developer. > However, my DM permission record [1] in > https://ftp-master.debian.org/dm.txt are still left untouched. When I try to > remove them, I w

Re: Research survey: Impact of Microsoft Acquisition of GitHub

2018-08-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 04:33:46PM +0100]: > Asavaseri Natnaree writes ("Re: Research survey: Impact of Microsoft > Acquisition of GitHub"): > I am happy to announce that we are ready > to release preliminary results of the "Developer Perception to > Microsoft's acquisition of GitHub

Re: Bits from the release team: full steam ahead towards buster

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Matthew Crews dijo [Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 01:10:06PM -0400]: > On April 18, 2018 9:19 AM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > But why would ü not be part of the sorting? Yes, that was my example > > before you censored my thought process - In Spanish, [áéíóú] and > > [aeiou] share the sam

Re: Lucas Kanashiro and Athos Ribeiro hijack my package

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Athos Ribeiro dijo [Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 06:31:31PM -0300]: > (...) > I can not change what had happened here but I hope we can put this > behind us and move forward. > > @debian-devel: > > I am sorry my past actions have been taking so much time of everyone > else, which could be put into someth

Re: Bits from the release team: full steam ahead towards buster

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Stephan Seitz dijo [Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 05:11:47PM +0200]: > On Mi, Apr 18, 2018 at 02:47:11 +, Holger Levsen wrote: > > On Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 10:23:29AM -0400, Michael Stone wrote: > > > really? there's more than one alphabetical order for english words? > > yes, sorting depends on the loca

Re: libzstd_1.3.3+dfsg-2_multi.changes REJECTED

2018-04-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Chris Lamb dijo [Wed, Apr 18, 2018 at 12:52:18PM +0100]: > (...) > Whilst this is not the most egregious example, I am not enjoying > this recent trend of almost-immediately escalating issues to our > mailing lists. > > As has been pointed out elsewhere, people make mistakes in > technical matters

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

2018-03-27 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Thomas Goirand dijo [Mon, Mar 26, 2018 at 10:18:18PM +0200]: > On 03/16/2018 07:51 PM, Gunnar Wolf wrote: > > I have to pick a nit here - I know this mail probably comes from a template > > and you are repeating what used to be true here. But, according to GR > > 003 in 2016¹,

Re: Bug#880014: Technical committee appointment

2018-03-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Chris Lamb dijo [Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 06:14:37PM +]: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA256 > > Dear fellow developers, > > As defined by our constitution (§6.2.2), the Debian Technical Committee > has recommended the appointment of Simon McVittie (smcv). Yay! Welcome on board!

Re: FTP Policy Development

2018-03-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Steve Robbins dijo [Sat, Mar 03, 2018 at 01:15:35PM -0600]: > (...) > To me, one of the puzzling aspects is why the FTP policy work has been so > secretive. The release team has a mailing list, tech committee has a mailing > list. There is Debian Policy list. It doesn't seem in congruence that

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] three.js_80+dfsg2-2_amd64.changes REJECTED

2018-03-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Thu, Mar 01, 2018 at 03:15:42PM +0530]: > >> 1. If a single ftp master is in disagreement, there should be a team > >> decision (in previous cases of disagreement also, other team members did > >> not get involved). > > > > I'm lost already, sorry. As I understand the case of

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Philipp Kern dijo [Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 09:18:13AM +0100]: > Putting security support over all else is surely how some people see it. But > some upstreams also complain if you are going to ship ancient versions > because the most recent ones contain all of the fixes. It's certainly more > work to v

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 03:19:59PM +0100]: > On Fri, 16 Feb 2018, Jonathan Carter (highvoltage) wrote: > > > - we could relax our requirements and have a way to document the > > > limitations of those packages (wrt our usual policies) > > > > Which requirements are you referri

Re: Bug#890816: ITP: autovpn -- Connect to a VPN in a country of your choice

2018-02-20 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Mon, Feb 19, 2018 at 12:44:40PM +0100]: > > I'd strongly urge you to reconsider packaging this project, for > > three main reasons: > > > > * It relies upon the external VPNGate.net site/service. If this > > goes away in the lifetime of a stable Debian release users

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-17 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:57:53PM +0100]: > > Minification is quite comparable to compilation. I will give you some > > examples from my frustration with Drupal8 in this answer. This can no > > longer be seen as source code: > > ... > > I disagree, it is not maintainable source

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:07:06PM +0100]: > > Is was a relevant part of the problem mentioned in Raphaels bug > > report: Minified JS libraries without source code. this was one > > of the starting points of this discussion. (#890598) > > Right, although merely technical since t

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 06:12:04PM +0100]: > > No, I think it's better if people know they're on their own for maintaining > > something. What's surely worse is when we ship stuff that we know we can't > > properly maintain in the long term. Better to be out of the archive than in

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Michael Meskes dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:58:04PM +0100]: > Can't we treat a .deb file like a container in the sense that it may > include additional source if needed? I'd very much like this. > > I know that this does create some problems for us, e.g. on the security > side, but the alternativ

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
W. Martin Borgert dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 06:59:21PM +0100]: > If I understand Samuels idea correctly, he likes to have multiple > versions of the same (JavaScript) library installed on Debian. > Not "stuff", but proper Debian packages, with all bells and whistles. > Only that you don't remove n

Re: What can Debian do to provide complex applications to its users?

2018-02-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Raphael Hertzog dijo [Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:11:29PM +0100]: > Hello everybody, > > the fact that I had to request the removal of dolibarr from Debian makes > me sad (see below for the reasons) and I believe that we should be able > to do better to provide complex applications to our end users. >

Re: ISO download difficult (was: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint))

2017-12-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
W. Martin Borgert dijo [Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 02:39:12PM +0100]: > Every time I need a Debian ISO, it takes me minutes to find it. > I didn't even know, that there were an ISO with non-free firmware. > > There should be a beautiful ISO download page, e.g. > https://www.debian.org/download[s]/ > wit

Re: Debian Stretch new user report (vs Linux Mint)

2017-12-01 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Arturo Borrero Gonzalez dijo [Fri, Dec 01, 2017 at 01:15:04PM +0100]: > >> It would have been best for him to download the ISO with non-free > >> firmware embedded, do you know how he made the decision to download > >> the ISO without non-free firmware? > > What others say is true. It's not easy t

Re: Bug#882445: Proposed change of offensive packages to -offensive

2017-11-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Thu, Nov 23, 2017 at 02:40:54PM -0700]: > Hello David, > > On Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 05:18:37PM -0700, Sean Whitton wrote: > >> > "cowsay-offensive". In this situation the "-offensive" package can > >> > be Suggested by the core package(s), but should not be Recommended > >> >

Re: Proposed change of offensive packages to -offensive

2017-11-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Wed, Nov 22, 2017 at 12:32:40PM +]: > So to be concrete, how about this: > > N. Packages with potentially offensive content > > As a maintainer you should make a judgement about whether the > contents of a package is appropriate to include, whether it needs > any kin

Re: Bug#877212: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-05 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Ian Jackson dijo [Thu, Oct 05, 2017 at 01:29:16PM +0100]: > I have also heard of packages which do "apt-get source" in their rules > files. > > I think that both of these activities are reasonable things to do. > They don't violate the self-containedness of Debian. If they are > technically forbi

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-04 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Wed, Oct 04, 2017 at 04:52:37PM +0530]: > > However, that verification isn't really sufficient if a rebuild > > on the buildds could download an entirely different version of the > > out-of-archive tools: a sufficiently inventive attacker who had gained > > control over upstrea

Re: Bug#877212: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jérémy Lal dijo [Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 07:46:43PM +0200]: > It might be a good idea to make policy more explicit about downloads during > build. I completely agree. This led me to look at #813471 ("network access to the loopback device should be allowed"), and... Well, it seems to set the stage to

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-03 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Tue, Oct 03, 2017 at 12:12:54PM +0530]: > > I am completely with Sean here; I read the following messages, and am > > happy a better resolution was found. But, FWIW, I'll support Sean's > > interpretation - Contrib and non-free are *not* places where we can > > happily breach a

Re: [Pkg-javascript-devel] Bug#877212: node-d3-color: B-D npm not available in testing

2017-10-02 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Sat, Sep 30, 2017 at 12:10:54PM -0700]: > > The whole purpose of having contrib and non-free is to host packages > > that can't be in main, either permanently or temporarily. I fail to > > see how it is against the spirit. > > To my mind, at least, the purpose of contrib and non

Re: popularity-contest reachs 200000 submitters!

2017-06-23 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Zlatan Todoric dijo [Sat, Jun 24, 2017 at 01:05:10AM +0200]: > > Reports by versions of popcon: > > > > 1.46 (lenny) : 2925 > > 1.49 (squeeze) : 9600 > > 1.56 (wheezy) : 33450 > > 1.61 (jessie) : 1

Re: Switch default installation image link?

2017-06-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
> [ Note Reply-To: set to d-devel ] (answering only to said list) > Hey, Hiya, > For a number of years, we've been linking to the amd64/i386 netinst > installer image from the front page. I think it's time to just switch > that to just an amd64 image for stretch now. The vast majority of the >

Re: When do we update the homepage to a modern design? (was Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth)

2017-05-16 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Arturo Borrero Gonzalez dijo [Mon, May 15, 2017 at 01:42:09PM +0200]: > Hi Paul, > > I believe that what we are actually looking for is a bit of > improvement in the marketing side. > Modern and fancy things. > > The LXDE example is good on that. Is a good example on how to craft content-void we

Re: Moving away from (unsupportable) FusionForge on Alioth?

2017-05-15 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonathan Dowland dijo [Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:27:27AM +0100]: > On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 09:13:11AM +0200, Alexander Wirt wrote: > > Nice to have: > (snip) > > - Mailinglists > > I've always thought it a bit weird, unfortunate (and possibly a historical > accident) > that we have lists.debian.org

Bug#860714: general: disk became full after running a perl program

2017-04-28 Thread Gunnar Wolf
The bug submitter followed up by private mail to me only; I'm cc:ing the bug report before closing it to provide a reasoned follow-up. - Forwarded message from Luis Duarte - Date: Sat, 22 Apr 2017 16:36:29 +0100 From: Luis Duarte To: Gunnar Wolf Subject: Re: Bug#860714: general:

Bug#860714: general: disk became full after running a perl program

2017-04-19 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Luis Duarte dijo [Wed, Apr 19, 2017 at 09:40:10AM +0100]: > Package: general > Severity: normal > > My windows manager is Xfce. Using Thunar - when I opened a directory > containing > perl programs, somethimes I click two times on a perl program to start it. No > Xterm appears - what I think that

Re: Contribute your skills to Debian in Montreal, April 14 2017

2017-04-09 Thread Wolf Halton
I would like to contribute somehow but I cannot travel to Montreal in April. Is there a link to a "how can I contribute page?" Wolf Halton, PCIP, CTGA, CBA Mobile/Text 678-687-6104 -- Sent from my iPhone. Creative word completion courtesy of Apple, Inc. > On Apr 9, 2017, at 1

Re: "Ask HN: What do you want to see in Ubuntu 17.10?"

2017-04-06 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Nikolaus Rath dijo [Wed, Apr 05, 2017 at 03:18:57PM -0700]: > >> I have a very different perception > > > > Me too. I guess it depends very much on whether one can afford to buy > > a good laptop which works well with Linux. > > I think there's a pre-requisite that's much harder for a lot of peop

Re: changelog practice, unfinalised vs UNRELEASED vs ~version

2017-02-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 04:33:15PM -0700]: > > So, my idea was, in short: Thinking in a post-Buster world, do we even > > need the finalized line? I mean, take a look at debian/changes. The > > archive handling tools do get both «Date» and «Changed-By» fields, > > which reflect when

Re: changelog practice, unfinalised vs UNRELEASED vs ~version

2017-02-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Sean Whitton dijo [Mon, Feb 13, 2017 at 04:35:19PM -0700]: > > (Of course, the signoff line in the changelog is redundant with > > the GPG signature, which is what actually matters but isn't at all > > user-visible...) > > It's not redundant for sponsored uploads where the sponsor is not a > membe

Re: changelog practice, unfinalised vs UNRELEASED vs ~version

2017-02-13 Thread Gunnar Wolf
any* sense nowadays? Let me explain. I think this line has clear signs of days long past: -- Gunnar Wolf Mon, 13 Feb 2017 10:37:57 +0600 Yes, in some way it summarizes who did the last (or first? or n-th?) modification to the changelog entry in case. But, given we see team-maintained workflo

Re: Team analysis graphs

2017-02-08 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Andreas Tille dijo [Wed, Feb 08, 2017 at 10:03:30AM +0100]: > Hi, > > this is my yearly hint to the teammetrics graphs you can find for your > team at > > http://blends.debian.net/liststats/ Very interesting! I will share this link with a student who is working with me and doing time-relate

Re: If you can't describe what the package is, you probably should not Intend To Package it.

2017-01-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Hi Jordi, Jordi Mallach dijo [Tue, Jan 31, 2017 at 12:38:18PM +0100]: > I know dh-make-golang creates an "ITP template" that you edit to > correct/improve the autogenerated stuff, and the description comes > directly from the README.md in the github repo. I wonder if the nodejs > stuff does someth

Re: Bug#851306: ITP: freebayes -- Bayesian haplotype-based polymorphism discovery and genotyping

2017-01-15 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Scott Kitterman dijo [Sun, Jan 15, 2017 at 04:34:40PM +]: > >> "freebayes" seems like a very generic name for something specific to > >such a > >> narrow field. Maybe freebayes-genetic-variance or some such instead. > > > >I fully agree with your generic name consideration. The software is >

Re: spammers closing bugs in BTS

2016-08-18 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Daniel Pocock dijo [Wed, Aug 17, 2016 at 06:38:35PM +0200]: > I was only talking about control emails (e.g. the -done address and > control@). The requirements for opening bugs or submitting comments > (without pseudo-headers) could remain as they are. > > Maybe it could insist that emails from a

Re: use long keyid-format in gpg.conf (Re: Key collisions in the wild

2016-08-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Gunnar Wolf dijo [Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 02:08:12PM -0500]: > That's the reason why a key by itself means little, but we do place > value on the web of trust around it. > (...blah...) Anyway, I managed to twist my mail with many facts and make it into a long mess :) That was my main

Re: use long keyid-format in gpg.conf (Re: Key collisions in the wild

2016-08-10 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Samuel Thibault dijo [Wed, Aug 10, 2016 at 02:03:33PM +0200]: > And actually, moving to 64bit fingerprints by default is possibly not a > good idea: who knows when 64bit will not be secure any more? Estimating > very roughly, if a 32bit collision can be found within a few seconds > with one GPU now

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jonas Smedegaard dijo [Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 10:30:21PM +0200]: > I sign keys by a similar policy as Gunnar, it seems. But I do sign also > people I have not met before... > > The logic I use is that I should be able to re-identify later. If I > meet the person later I might have forgotten thei

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-24 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jakub Wilk dijo [Thu, Jun 23, 2016 at 07:30:42PM +0200]: > * Nikolaus Rath , 2016-06-23, 09:23: > >I am wondering if the extra burden is worth the gain in security. If > >everyone were to follow this procedure then the bar to becoming a Debian > >developer would be raised significantly. > > As as

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Lars Wirzenius dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:32:28PM +0300]: > PS. *Obviously* a policy to only sign keys for people you already know > is a stratagem to get people to talk to me at parties. Grah, my evil plan has been foiled. I fear, I will sit lonely with no friends at DebConf :-( Please, someb

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Nikolaus Rath dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 07:58:43AM -0700]: > > Now, I have said this too many times, but once more: As keyring-maint, > > we are not collecting samples of people showing valid-looking ID > > documents to others. This is one of the issues why we don't have > > long-queue key signing

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-22 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jason Thomas dijo [Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 02:38:52PM +1000]: > Hi Gunnar, > I'm basically in Sydney Australia, however finding time to meet people > is difficult these days, with work, a wife and two little kids. > I live in Penrith NSW, and work in Granville NSW. I do travel up and > down the east c

Re: Keysigning via Video Conferencing

2016-06-21 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Jason Thomas dijo [Mon, Jun 20, 2016 at 12:31:57PM +1000]: > Hi all, > > I need to get my key signed, is anyone willing to work with me via > video conferencing. > > I have uploaded my key to keyring.debian.org and I have also signed > this message. > > I have a scan of my government issued driv

Bug#827843: ITP: xlogo -- XLogo is an interpreter for the Logo programming language, written in Java.

2016-06-21 Thread Wolf Bergenheim
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Wolf Bergenheim * Package name: xlogo Version : 0.9.95 Upstream Author : Loïc Le Coq * URL : http://xlogo.tuxfamily.org * License : GPL Programming Lang: Java Description : XLogo is an interpreter for the Logo

Re: Next steps for gitlab.debian (Re: GitLab B.V. to host free-software GitLab for Debian project)

2016-06-07 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Pirate Praveen dijo [Tue, Jun 07, 2016 at 11:22:11PM +0530]: > Does gitolite allow merge requests? How easy it is for a new contributor > to use gitolite? I think the merge request workflow is really the key. Gitolite is a very lightweight way to manage access to a set of Git repositories to sever

Bug#819663: O: collabtive

2016-03-31 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Package: wnpp Severity: normal Collabtive is a very nice and simple, calendar- and project-based group collaboration tool. The package description reads: Description: Web-based project management software This package is intended for small to medium-sized businesses and freelancers.

Re: dbconfig-common: near future change in dependency stack

2015-12-09 Thread Gunnar Wolf
Mathias Behrle dijo [Tue, Dec 08, 2015 at 10:16:38AM +0100]: > Some questions for Tryton server: > > The situation is > > - Tryton server runs out of the box without configuration with a SQLite > database > - The (strongly) recommended database is PostgreSQL, but there is also support > for M

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