Re: rsync and debian -- summary of issues

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 01:47, Martin Pool wrote: > On 11 Apr 2002, Robert Tiberius Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Also, in section 3.15, you say, "Fetching a series of deltas which > > update the same area is less efficient than calculating the deltas > > dir

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 00:14, Anthony Towns wrote: > No, I'm not. I'm saying that "the amount of time spent waiting for > apt-get update" needs to count every apt-get update you run, not just > the first. So, if over a period of a week, I run it seven times, and you > run it once, I wait seven times

Re: rsync and debian -- summary of issues

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Thu, 2002-04-11 at 01:15, Martin Pool wrote: > There seems to be a thread about rsync and Debian packages every > couple of months. I've written up a document which tries to cover all > of the questions and debates. It's pretty informal, but hopefully > will be useful. > > http://rsync.samb

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 09:46, Erich Schubert wrote: > What diff options do you use? > As the diffs are expected to be applied to the correct version, they > probably shouldn't contain the old data, but the new data only. Good point. I used diff -ed, so I think this is not including unnecessary con

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 04:35, Michael Bramer wrote: > > Scheme Disk space Bandwidth > > --- > > Checksums (bwidth optimal)26K 81K > > diffs (4 days)32K

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-12 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Wed, 2002-04-10 at 02:28, Anthony Towns wrote: > I think you'll find you're also unfairly weighting this against people > who do daily updates. If you do an update once a month, it's not as much > of a bother waiting a while to download the Packages files -- you're > going to have to wait _much

Re: Debian's problems, Debian's future

2002-04-10 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Tue, 2002-04-09 at 17:25, Martijn van Oosterhout wrote: > What you are suggesting is that the server store checksums for precalculated > blocks on the server. This would be 4 bytes per 1k in the original file or > so. The transaction proceeds as follows: > > 1. Client asks for checksum list off

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-08 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 19:36, Adam Heath wrote: > 54 days with of Packages(sid/main/i386) gives 900k of xdeltas. Thanks for the info. I think that keeping 54 days of diffs (or xdeltas) is unnecessary -- most of the benefit is accrued by keeping only 20 days or so. But I need real stats on frequen

Re: Rsyncable GZIP (was Re: Package metadata server)

2002-04-07 Thread Robert Tiberius Johnson
On Sun, 2002-04-07 at 11:16, Otto Wyss wrote: > What amazes me is that nobody is able or willing to provide any figures. > So I guess no provider of an rsync server is interested in this subject > and therefore it can't be a big problem. Here are some experiments, and a mathematical analysis of d