at would be the easiest solution, at least the easiest I can
think of.
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> upload
> something to NEW or binary-NEW.
Sure, but that could be checked for as well.
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, let alone is configured
to do the right thing?
If I missed something, please point me into the right direction.
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. If not I'm going to
orphan them or even ask for their removal from the archive.
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Just for the record, the ublock-origin migration to webext is
underways, I simply ran out of time.
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> On Mon, 26 Feb 2018, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > Actually it's the other way round. I need my program, clamsmtp, to
> > start before postfix. I haven't checked with the other MTAs to be
> > honest. So I guess I could try only adding postfix and see if
>
at's unfortunately not what I'm seeing. Upon reboot mails get stuck
in the queue for, like, ever because postfix cannot connect to
clamsmtp's port. A postfix restart fixes it, though.
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ut I don't understand why
defining a sequence like this would be harmful.
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> a service dependency on "mail-transport-agent" does provide you?
Actually it's the other way round. I need my program, clamsmtp, to
start before postfix. I haven't checked with the other MTAs to be
honest. So I guess I could try only adding postfix and see if somebody
rep
Hi all,
do we have something like virtual entities for systemd service files? In SysV
we could require that mail-transport-agent was started before starting a
service. But how is this supposed to be handled with systemd?
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can
publish packages for these applications that come with their
dependencies. With things being integrated in a Debian system they are
kind of Debian specific.
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atpak that
bring the application with its dependencies, more or less like a
container.
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"security by upstream releases".
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d upstream version instead of the
unsupported older one?
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about documenting very clearly what they get and what they don't.
Besides my personal experience is that most people do not set up the
infrastructure you mentioned so they get caught unaware no matter what.
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d my ITP and close the report again.
Ah, would have made some things easier, but I guess I don't want to use
this program either.
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Let's agree to disagree. I find it perfectly fine if we told people up
front that we support it as long as upstream has a version that works
with the stable base. They are still better or at least not worse of
with that than with a self-installed one.
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ease do not use this for anything
> important. Get a real and secure VPN. This is mostly a fun tool
> to
> get a VPN for a few minutes."
I read this not as "insecure for the system it runs on" but "insecure
on the connection side". This is certainly not som
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se our users that this section of the archive will
get upstream's latest fixes even if that means the version number
changes.
This way the users would get a lot of benefits from using Debian but no
drawback compared to the self-installed alternative.
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> Michael Meskes dijo [Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:57:53PM +0100]:
> > I disagree, it is not maintainable source code, yes, but source
> > code
> > nonetheless. According to wikipedia source code is:
> > ...
>
> Some others have answered to this claim. As I understand
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> On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 01:51:38PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > Then I guess the question is, what is Debian?
> >
> > Does a different and additional package format change the project?
>
> It seems like you're not reading what other people have said--tt has
Host are taking away users
> interested
> by container orchestration solutions.
Not sure about those details, but yes, this is my gut feeling, too.
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ing?
> But packaging the precise version that is required in each little
> bump
> is just impossible.
I get your point, I just don't accept the consequence that we should
not package these applications.
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Am Freitag, den 16.02.2018, 17:22 -0500 schrieb Michael Stone:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 10:01:53PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > True, that's why I think we should look for a different solutions.
>
> There are different solutions, but the result isn't debian, it&#
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ht up to
> this thread).
As I explained before the question was more about the definition of
"properly maintain".
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raries that are not packaged, because there are too many
The problem is probably less the amount but more the manual work to
find the canonical sources. Packing a go "library" for instance does
not take a lot of time, because it can be done mostly automated.
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> stuff is packaged. The current "build everything from live git"
> paradigm
> just doesn't work well for a package-based distributon with a multi-
> year
True, that's why I think we should look for a different solutions.
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lot of sysadmins know to run apt
update/upgrade frequently but way fewer do (have the time to) check the
alerts etc.
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pies of
certain "libraries" to packaging software that is neither free nor open source?
I didn't notice anyone suggesting we should do the latter.
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we should do exactly the same and make sure the application containers get
update to fixed version as and when possible. For users this means that get
probably better security and easier deployment of whatever application they
need to run. Obviously this needs to be clearly documented.
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On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 11:12:51AM -0500, Michael Stone wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 16, 2018 at 04:58:04PM +0100, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > I know that this does create some problems for us, e.g. on the security
> > side, but the alternative is, as you mentioned, manually installed
> &
em is
very common, like javascript? At least initially.
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> We are one bugfix away from that release. Hoping to get it out over
> the
> next week or so.
>
> It will have a new version number :)
Great! Thanks Art! I'll do an upload when it's available.
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t and helping.
Art, any idea when the next release will come?
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> the Citadel packages.
If you're interested, how about becoming a member of the team?
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every now and then, but not much else. However, since you said there'll
be a release shortly, I won't ask for removal if that release fixes the
RCs.
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> You can change the b-d to libical2-dev to still build with the old
> libical
> version. afaics it doesn't link with packages now linked with
> libical3.
Sorry, should have said that I was referring to libssl 1.0 vs 1.1
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h packages have an RC bug, that
upstream may or may not have fixed.
To explain the latter, upstream claims to have fixed it and their source is
different from ours but the version number is exactly the same!
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tract demands we offer a *working*" ssl
setup:
...
We will be guided by the needs of our users and the free software
community. We will place their interests first in our priorities. We
will support the needs of our users for operation in many different
kinds of computing environments.
...
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ng, will we get a libssl
version that allows older TLS version or do you flatly deny the need for
it and keep libssl as is?
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> pretty poor choice. Providing people with the possibility to fall back
> to less secure solutions sounds like a much better choice, just like
Problem is, where is this possibility right now?
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nderstand your point but I strongly disagree with
action. I would actually be fine with it, if we were able to solve all
problems in Debian, but we are not.
Therefore my ssl packages are on hold and will be as long as needed.
Unstable should not be mis-used this way.
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snt possible.
Wouldn't it make sense to start with experimental and test/file bug
reports on stuff that doesn't? Let's make this clear, if you install
the new packages chances are nearly 100% that something will break, at
least that's my experience.
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way
round, why something needed for security cannot make it into unstable.
Anyway, yes, the question is, what do I with my desktops?
Final question, why does https://packages.qa.debian.org/c/chromium-browser.html
not show the security upload in the news feed?
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> Did you document your attempts so people willing to help have a point
> to start from?
No, and all the blame for that goes to me.
BTW the same holds for all of my other packages, I'm more than willing
to accept help/co-maintainership.
Thanks for the patch.
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if it still has the same
functionality. Upstreams docs are not absolutely clear about this and I
cannot check without building it.
If anyone wants to help, the package is tora.
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;t like the way you are picturing this. The question is absolutely
valid, but maybe I should rephrase it to "Why are you contacting the
uploader only and not the team as well?"
> * Also: what should we do with packages that are marked as team-
> maintained
> but are really orphaned?
Wh
l as 1.1.
True, but I wonder if this is the right basis for a transition plan.
Not saying you said it would be. I just question if there is one. Other
than removing everything that does not compile with 1.1 of course.
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thing relevant for all
> packages, as not everything is going to be backported, but there
> are definitely some packages that will be affected.)
What prevents us from backporting OpenSSL?
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d anyone please tell me how this is
supposed to be handled?
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> Does this page is still valid?
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-companies/
Yes, but it is currently waiting for its update.
> Otherwise, how can I subscribe my company?
Like all other mailing lists, too. Check e.g. here
https://www.debian.org/MailingLists/#subunsub
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is making
> available a mechanism for upgrade on reboot that GNOME is (so far as I'm
> aware) the only consumer of, thus making the subject line a bit
> misleading. I'm happy to let the systemd packagers decide whether it
True.
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Not sure what you mean with "all the time", but I do believe we have way less
important debconf questions than "Do you want to download updates
automatically?"
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Right, every user should have the option to decide her/himself which route to
take. But as it is right now, the gnome software is making that decision
without even telling her/him. And that cannot be right.
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, because I
simply don't have the time, and sometimes not even the means, to repair the
fuckup resulting from the updates. Agreed, this is rare, but still, even once
is one time too many for me.
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tomatic download for the time being for "power
> users" and/or tags a WLAN connection as "modem".
You're not seriously suggesting we should make the decision for the user
without even telling him? Doesn't freedom of choice also include the freedom
to not do updates?
ded behavior.
Right, thanks for the fast reaction. I think there is more at stake with
this bug as you can see from the thread. The package shouldn't be
downloaded first hand. That is not packagekit's fault though.
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configurable or, as
I said before, add a huge and very big warning to the package.
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> On Fri, Aug 28, 2015 at 06:14:05AM +0200, Michael Meskes wrote:
>>> Is this enough to go on to move this to a report against gnome-software?
>>
>> Bug reported btw.
>
> Where? ( "Where to follow the bugreport?"
> Is this enough to go on to move this to a report against gnome-software?
Bug reported btw.
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s this enough to go on to move this to a report against gnome-software?
It's certainly enough to create a bug report against gnome-software. It
does not explain what happened to me, though. But then maybe
gnome-software got deinstalled earlier (and the log already rotated out)
and left the key.
fline-updates. So seeing those updates
proves that something triggered it, right?
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changed it to be checked.
Besides, what causes the system to make those package downloads before?
I may be behind a slow or expensive line and don't want any downloads
performed at all.
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out that, but I definitely
have not accidently checked it. And IMO it should not be checked by default.
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manually.
Ha ha ha. I wouldn't have started this thread if I had wanted my system to
perform updates automatically. Statements like this are not exactly helping.
> To not trigger offline-upgrades, ensure that the file "/system-update" does
> not exist. (this file will o
r.
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ot. It seems like
> systemd is providing that choice and supporting both options, which is
> great. The question, in my mind, is why you're getting surprised with
> something using the method that you don't prefer.
Right, my point being this should never be the default.
Micha
dated (Sunday) sid system and you'll
see see the conflicts.
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> least!) discussing it properly first.
And, may I add, tell the admin clearly and make it configurable.
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a line that doesn't give me enough bandwidth for a real update,
or even a small one for that matter.
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on the wording. Actually I consider this behavior a very grave bug.
Yes, I can see some reasons for this "feature" but certainly not for it
to be activated automatically and not exactly well documented.
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> I hope Debian have some future on Azure however blog mention only native
> Debian images (that shouldn't be too hard to prepare anyway) but not SLA...
I'm pretty sure there'll be some SLA offering.
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version. Please check https://packages.qa.debian.org/w/waagent.html
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here. Maybe somebody who know could chime in.
Michael
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Michael Meskes
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Hi,
what am I supposed to do with prebuilt javascript objects in my source tree
that do not appear to come with sources? None of those are actually used or
installed for that matter, but they are part of the source tree and lintian
complains about them.
Michael
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redit, but
# as best as we can determine, it is not applicable to the contents of
# this file.
...
Now, with the latest version, lintian complains with a big fat error. Is
this a false positive that I can override, or do we have a license problem
in older versions as well?
Michael
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Michael M
our
> packages which isn't ideal.
So the best next step would be for Wido to apply as and become a member
for Debian-Java, right? Wido, please get yourself an account on
alioth.debian.org for that.
Michael
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Michael Meskes
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hands.
Also, as a bonus question to the Debian folks, should we try
establishing a cloudstack packaging group or do we push the effort into
the java packaging group?
Michael
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Michael Meskes
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don't find any spare
time to dedicate to these tasks. Or in other words, helping hands are very
welcome.
Michael
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ng on?
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process for teams?
Michael
P.S.: I couldn't find anything in the archives but should I have missed an
existing thread, please point me to it.
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manpower into the bunch, or
> splitting
> the archive into KEY packages (as defined in recent d-d-a email) and non-KEY
> packages, is different matter.
So that means my question/suggestion is valid even for the non-LTS case,
doesn't it?
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On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 04:33:38PM +0200, Ondřej Surý wrote:
> On Wed, Aug 28, 2013 at 4:29 PM, Michael Meskes wrote:
> > Anyhow, I doubt we can reasonably expect to maintain *all* packages for a
> > longer
> > period. How about starting with a defined list of packages that
x27;s say
Ubuntu, to reduce the workload for both sides?
Finally what do we do with packages that are no longer supported by upstream?
Do we essantially take over or do we restrict updates for as long as upstream
provides fixes?
Michael
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k is this for the security team? Yes, I know, the older the
software gets, the more difficult it is to backport patches, if at all
possible.
Michael
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On Tue, Aug 27, 2013 at 02:11:56AM +0200, Thomas Goirand wrote:
> Guys, if you want it to happen, raise your hands *now* like Gustavo did.
> Otherwise, please everyone: let this thread die and never raise the
> topic again in this list.
Raising my hand here ...
Michael
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