Re: Bug#978636: move to merged-usr-only?

2021-01-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 23:13 Uhr schrieb Marco d'Itri : > > On Dec 29, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > > For package upgrades, we can already perform so-called "offline > > upgrades", where the system reboots into a smaller systemd target, > > applies a

Re: Bug#978636: move to merged-usr-only?

2020-12-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Di., 29. Dez. 2020 um 17:39 Uhr schrieb Marco d'Itri : > > On Dec 29, Ansgar wrote: > > > as suggested in [1], I would like to see Debian to move to support > > only the merged-usr filesystem layout. This would simplfy things for > > the future and also address the problem with installing file

Re: CITL Releasing 7000 defects/vulnerabilities

2020-11-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am So., 1. Nov. 2020 um 15:22 Uhr schrieb Xavier : > > Hi, > > Ubuntu is based on testing and does not import our fixes after its release > (except a few list), then it's normal to find a lot of vulnerabilities. See > https://lemonldap-ng.org/documentation for exemple > > > Le 1 novembre 2020 14:

Re: DEP-14: renaming master to main?

2020-06-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mo., 22. Juni 2020 um 23:30 Uhr schrieb Colin Watson : > > On Mon, Jun 22, 2020 at 05:50:02PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote: > > there has been a lot of talk recently about how master is a loaded term > > that should be avoided. > > If I read the news correctly, github and others are going to chang

Re: Heads up: persistent journal has been enabled in systemd

2020-02-06 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Do., 6. Feb. 2020 um 17:12 Uhr schrieb Simon Richter : > > Hi Marco, > > On Thu, Feb 06, 2020 at 03:08:28PM +0100, Marco d'Itri wrote: > > > > There are still a large number of > > > Debian users opting away from using systemd (and still use Debian, not > > > derivatives). And what about non-lin

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-03 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Sa., 4. Jan. 2020 um 00:16 Uhr schrieb Russ Allbery : > > The Wanderer writes: > > > What I'm concerned about is dbus socket activation, or similar, leading > > to e.g. logind getting activated by logging in at the text console. > > > I thought I understood that socket activation via dbus was o

Re: Appstream + Gnome

2020-01-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Do., 2. Jan. 2020 um 21:58 Uhr schrieb Jeff : > > On 02/01/2020 16:53, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > @Jeff Did your changes include adding a launchable tag? If not, adding > > one may already fix this issue. > > Yes, I had. > > > When transitioning: > > 1)

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Do., 2. Jan. 2020 um 18:41 Uhr schrieb Simon McVittie : > [...] > I seem to remember a systemd upstream developer being asked during > recent discussions whether they were willing to guarantee that > systemd-tmpfiles and systemd-sysusers will continue to work when used on > non-systemd-booted sy

Re: opentmpfiles & opensysusers, and its use in the Debian policy

2020-01-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Do., 2. Jan. 2020 um 17:28 Uhr schrieb Ansgar : > > Thomas Goirand writes: > > [...] > > I'm not sure why > > there's both /bin/systemd-sysusers and /usr/bin/systemd-sysusers, and > > which one should be used. > > For the same reason there is /bin/bash and /usr/bin/bash probably? I don't have b

Re: Appstream + Gnome

2020-01-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi everyone! Sorry for the delayed reply, I was busy with traveling around during the new year. For that matter: Happy new year! :-) I am the upstream maintainer of AppStream as well as in Debian. Am Mi., 1. Jan. 2020 um 13:17 Uhr schrieb Jeff : > > Firstly - apologies for sending this to -devel.

Re: Is it the job of Lintian to push an agenda?

2019-07-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Sa., 13. Juli 2019 um 22:04 Uhr schrieb Vincent Bernat : > > ❦ 13 juillet 2019 11:52 -07, Russ Allbery : > > >> Previously, we had a sort of agreement (through the TC decision) that > >> such scripts should be maintained by people caring about them and we > >> should only act on bug reports wit

Re: mandatory source uploads (was: Bits from the Release Team: ride like the wind, Bullseye!)

2019-07-08 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mo., 8. Juli 2019 um 09:14 Uhr schrieb Thomas Goirand : > > On 7/8/19 12:34 AM, Scott Kitterman wrote: > > As long as your build-depends are properly versioned, why can't you just > > upload all the source and let wanna-build sort it out? > > > > Scott K > > This means that I have to baby-sit th

Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mi., 26. Juni 2019 um 10:40 Uhr schrieb Bagas Sanjaya : > > On 25/06/19 20.19, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > [...] > > So APT need to do what you mention, that is determining age rating not > only based on AppStream metadata, but also on system locale? Yes. Since the thin

Re: Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 11:51 Uhr schrieb Bagas Sanjaya : > > Simon McVittie: > > Appstream metadata, which is canonically provided by upstreams and is > distro- and package-type-agnostic (available in at least apt and Flatpak), > has this as an optional field for self-rating: > > https://www.free

Re: Re: Content Rating System in Debian

2019-06-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Di., 25. Juni 2019 um 10:15 Uhr schrieb Simon McVittie : > > On Tue, 25 Jun 2019 at 09:31:44 +0200, Philip Hands wrote: > > Also, it seems clear to me that the same game in all Linux disros is > > very likely to get the same rating, so this would be better done as a > > distribution agnostic lev

Re: Question about Debian build infrastructure

2019-06-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Do., 6. Juni 2019 um 20:33 Uhr schrieb Kyle Edwards : > > Hello all, > > I have been preparing Ubuntu releases for CMake on our own APT > repository for several months now. We did this by preparing our own > repository infrastructure - we have a machine that builds packages, and > a machine that

Re: Debian Buster will only be 54% reproducible (while we could be at >90%)

2019-03-06 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mi., 6. März 2019 um 10:40 Uhr schrieb peter green : > > > Because of their design, binNMUs are unreproducible, see #894441 [3] for > > the details (in short: binNMUs are not what they are ment to be: the source > > is changed and thrown away) > To be specific, the source tree is extracted, then

Re: package management symlink

2019-02-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Di., 5. Feb. 2019 um 12:03 Uhr schrieb Ansgar : > > Sören Reinecke writes: > >> I'm not convinced that having to remember different package manager > >> names is a significant problem for new people adopting a Linux > >> distribution. The name is a very small part of the > >> differences between

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 14:47 Uhr schrieb Stephan Seitz : > > On Fr, Nov 23, 2018 at 02:04:05 +0100, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >If there are actual issues encountered, we can always revert a change > > And how do you revert this change? As far as I have understand you can’t >

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Fr., 23. Nov. 2018 um 13:45 Uhr schrieb Ian Jackson : > Russ Allbery writes ("Re: usrmerge -- plan B?"): > > This is a much better summary of the thread, and I wish that you would > > have said this instead of claiming incorrectly that those same people are > > the ones advocating for a full mer

Re: usrmerge -- plan B?

2018-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mi., 21. Nov. 2018 um 22:51 Uhr schrieb Marco d'Itri : > > On Nov 21, Michael Stone wrote: > > > How many long-running production systems do you think people have run > > usrmerge on? I'd guess close to zero, since there is no advantage whatsoever > Actually I have quite a lot personally, with

Re: Our build system may be broken: /bin vs /usr/bin

2018-11-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mo., 19. Nov. 2018 um 16:52 Uhr schrieb Dirk Eddelbuettel : > > > Hi Ian, > > Thanks for the follow-up. > > On 19 November 2018 at 15:45, Ian Jackson wrote: > | Dirk Eddelbuettel writes ("Our build system may be broken: /bin vs > /usr/bin"): > | > tl;dr: We may be messing up /bin and /usr/bin

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am Mo., 22. Okt. 2018 um 17:32 Uhr schrieb Marvin Renich : > > * Matthias Klumpp [181021 14:04]: > > libgpgme is communicating with gnupg in the background - having > > libgpgme without gnupg itself will render the library completely > > unusable and break existing users

Re: no{thing} build profiles

2018-10-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Am So., 21. Okt. 2018 um 18:13 Uhr schrieb Marvin Renich : > > * Sune Vuorela [181021 06:05]: > > On 2018-10-21, Jonas Smedegaard wrote: > > > I disagree that libgpgme11 should depend/recommend/suggest gnupg at all: > > > As a library it cannot possibly declare how tight a relationship to > > > d

Bug#886238: Please introduce official nosystemd build profile

2018-01-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2018-01-07 20:00 GMT+01:00 Hleb Valoshka <375...@gmail.com>: > On 1/6/18, Chris Lamb wrote: >>> > (accusing Debian to "vandalize" open source by supporting systemd) >> […] >>> 1) Proofs please. DDG & Google find only your words. >> >> I was accused of this on the "dng" mailing list. It should be e

Re: Please add lzip support in the repository

2017-07-03 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-07-03 14:42 GMT+02:00 Maria Bisen : > [...] > 4- As a result, lzip is almost never used alone (without xz), and Debian can > justify forever the lack of lzip support > > You need to consider all four points to understand the issue. No, please read again the mails previous developers wrote. Lz

Re: Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...)

2017-05-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-05-19 2:35 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise : > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 10:37 PM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >> Unfortunately though, the D language ABI isn't stable, so any future >> compiler update might break the software in weird ways unless all D >> software is reco

Re: Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...)

2017-05-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-05-18 19:52 GMT+02:00 Sean Whitton : > Hello Matthias, > > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 04:37:58PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> Looking at what other languages with the same problem have done, there >> are basically two ways to deal with the issue: >> >> 1) Re

Packaging of libraries with unstable ABI (D, Rust, Go, ...)

2017-05-18 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Recently, I have been packaging some libraries written in the D programming language[1]. Since the D team didn't have many libraries packaged, there was no policy on how to package libraries, so I packaged them like C/C++ libraries: Make a shared lib package and have the software requiring it d

Re: Graphical package installers & debconf (was: What's a safe way to have extensions in chromium in Debian?)

2017-03-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-03-23 22:04 GMT+01:00 Sean Whitton : > Hello Jeremy, > > On Thu, Mar 23, 2017 at 07:14:35AM -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> It is also useless for someone who will install Chromium from the >> Software app (gnome-software) included in 'gnome-core' since the >> Software app does not display debco

Re: AppStream Re: Depends/Recommends from libraries

2017-03-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-03-10 9:05 GMT+01:00 Rebecca N. Palmer : > On 10/03/17 00:10, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> >> I think a lot of those appstream installs are from KDE and GNOME which >> install plasma-discover and gnome-software by default. > > Do those things display AppStream "packages related to this hardware" by

Re: Debian packaging with meson

2017-02-17 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-02-18 0:29 GMT+01:00 Simon McVittie : > On Fri, 17 Feb 2017 at 18:08:01 -0500, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >> GNOME 3.24 modules have begun including meson build scripts. > > It looks as though Meson approximately follows the Autotools-like > build pipeline that dh assumes, so something like this shou

Re: no-strong-digests-in-dsc MBF

2017-01-17 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2017-01-18 0:14 GMT+01:00 Stuart Prescott : > Hi Adrian, > >> I want to do a MBF for all packages without a SHA256 checksum field >> in the .dsc [1] - only SHA1 as hash would not be good in stretch. > > I missed two details here: > > * why is this worth going at all > > * why is this important enou

Re: opinions of snappy packages

2016-06-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2016-06-19 21:51 GMT+02:00 Zlatan Todoric : > > On 06/19/2016 09:12 PM, Raphael Hertzog wrote: >> >> [...] >> This is an annoying habit for many of their projects and it might be a >> part of the reason why many of their interesting projects do not really >> take off. >> >> $ apt search snapcraft >

Re: Before I send a bug report to change DebTags please do some sanity check

2016-02-08 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2016-02-08 15:14 GMT+01:00 Ben Hutchings : > On Mon, 2016-02-08 at 15:10 +0100, Petter Reinholdtsen wrote: >> [Ben Hutchings] >> > I don't think it's there yet, but AppStream will get some support from >> > upstream developers (including through existing .desktop files) >> > whereas debtags presuma

Re: Going ahead with non-free-firmware

2016-01-09 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2016-01-09 21:15 GMT+01:00 Marco d'Itri : > On Jan 09, Dominic Hargreaves wrote: > >> On Sat, Jan 09, 2016 at 11:51:08AM +0100, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> > I think there was consensus to introduce the non-free-firmware section >> > and move the non-free firmware blobs there. I'm wondering what w

Re: overlayfs (was: Re: support for merged /usr in Debian)

2016-01-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
I am using overlayFS in Limba[1], and it works well (and is really fast!) for read-only filesystems, read-write sometimes has issues if you are using multiple OverlayFS layers (which made me adjust the code so this doesn't happen anymore). 2016-01-06 17:29 GMT+01:00 Jonathan Dowland : > I wish I c

Re: AppStream / DEP-11 support now available in the Debian archive

2015-12-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-12-15 1:45 GMT+01:00 Charles Plessy : > Hi Matthias, > > congratulation for this release ! > > In the upstream-metadata project (https://wiki.debian.org/UpstreamMetadata) we > document some information, some of which is redundant with what is now found > in > AppStream, and some of which is n

Re: Future of the Linux upstream tracker

2015-12-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-12-06 22:54 GMT+01:00 Ponomarenko Andrey : > [...] > But ... Good news everyone! I've spent about a half-year to implement an > open-source alternative of the tool from scratch and I'm glad to inform you > that it's finally ready and available at: https://github.com/lvc/abi-tracker > > So ev

Re: binNMU or reproducible builds (choose only one)

2015-09-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-09-27 17:54 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise : > On Thu, Sep 24, 2015 at 6:09 PM, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote: > >> Let's answer that one, and if the answer is "lets drop binNMUs", then we can >> work towards source-based auto-NMUs being at least as easy to use/trigger as >> binNMUs currently are. >

Re: [CTTE #741573] Debian Menu System

2015-09-04 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-09-05 3:49 GMT+02:00 Osamu Aoki : > [...] > >2. In addition to those changes, the Technical Committee resolves > > that packages providing a .desktop file shall not also provide a > > menu file for the same application. > > That's good idea in general. I hope lintian warning

Re: Polkit: prompt for root password

2015-09-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-09-01 19:49 GMT+02:00 Jayson Willson : > I have also tried creating > /usr/share/polkit-1/rules.d/49-rootpw_global.rules with the same contents, > [...] The problem with that is simply that the PolicyKit in Debian Unstable/Testing/Stable does not read the JavaScript rules files. Only the ve

Re: system upgrade by GNOME (was: system upgrade by systemd)

2015-08-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-08-31 17:45 GMT+02:00 Russ Allbery : > Philip Hands writes: > > > Is it not the case that we're actually witnessing is: > > > Option e): get updates applied only at reboot, with no prior > > notification that they are available, such that people who always > > suspend, or simply leave

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-08-28 6:03 GMT+02:00 Michael Meskes : > > Having just read this entire thread, and been affected by this once, it > > occurs to me that the likely answer has been offered, but I suspect you > > may have thought Matthias' reference to “GNOME Software” to be a generic > > answer (apologies if I

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-08-26 15:17 GMT+02:00 Michael Biebl : > Am 26.08.2015 um 14:48 schrieb Matthias Klumpp: > > Actually, this query: > > > http://codesearch.debian.net/perpackage-results/trigger-offline-update%20-package%3Apackagekit%20-package%3Aaptdaemon/2/page_0 > > is more complet

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-08-26 14:40 GMT+02:00 Matthias Klumpp : > 2015-08-26 14:27 GMT+02:00 Michael Meskes : > >> On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:26:13PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> > 1) This feature is not enabled by default. It only gets triggered if a >> > frontend tool ma

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-08-26 14:27 GMT+02:00 Michael Meskes : > On Wed, Aug 26, 2015 at 01:26:13PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > > 1) This feature is not enabled by default. It only gets triggered if a > > frontend tool makes use of it, and will not be activated automatically. > So, > > y

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-26 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Calm down, people... A few more clarifications: 1) This feature is not enabled by default. It only gets triggered if a frontend tool makes use of it, and will not be activated automatically. So, you will only see it when you use GNOME with GNOME-Software or any other tool which triggers the funct

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-08-25 23:53 GMT+02:00 Simon McVittie : > On 25/08/15 16:18, Michael Meskes wrote: > > And for the second time it > > destroyed my system by deinstalling a lot of packages, instead of > putting the > > conflicting packages on hold. > > That's the major issue here: packagekit and/or gnome-softw

Re: system upgrade by systemd

2015-08-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
This is a feature of systemd and PackageKit. See http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/SystemUpdates/ The only thing which makes use of this feature is GNOME through GNOME-Software, so if you don't want this, removing GNOME-Software will be enough. Nothing else in Debian uses this[1].

Re: Bug#791857: ITP: daemonize -- tool to run a command as a daemon

2015-07-09 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-07-09 19:25 GMT+02:00 Clint Byrum : > Excerpts from md's message of 2015-07-09 10:18:50 -0700: >> On Jul 09, Martín Ferrari wrote: >> >> > I can say that it does: start-stop-daemon misses some functionality you >> > need for programs that don't daemonise and log to stdout/stderr, which >> > i

Re: aptitude has Priority: standard, why?

2015-03-31 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-03-31 15:18 GMT+02:00 Henrique de Moraes Holschuh : > On Tue, Mar 31, 2015, at 05:14, Fabian Greffrath wrote: >> I am curious why the aptitude package still has Priority: standard, i.e. >> why it is installed next to apt in each and every Debian installation? >> >> Aptitude isn't recommended f

Bug#779383: ITP: limba -- 3rd-party software manager

2015-02-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp * Package name: limba Version : 0.4.0 Upstream Author : Matthias Klumpp * URL : http://people.freedesktop.org/~mak/limba/ * License : LGPL-2.1+ and GPL-2+ Programming Lang: C Description : 3rd

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-17 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-02-17 13:57 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry : > [...] > > Examination after the fact showed that if I'd had the correct packages > installed, it would have worked. > So from a Debian perspective this was 'notabug'. > (modules that were not needed day-to-day had been deleted by hand to > make spac

Re: how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system

2015-02-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-02-16 16:26 GMT+01:00 Alastair McKinstry : > [...] > An an example, i've been a long-term linux developer, DD; i've developed > and promoted Linux not just on the desktop but both in embedded systems > and in HPC systems. In all these I've been comfortable that I've been > able to adapt Linux,

Re: length of a package extended description

2015-01-09 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2015-01-10 4:31 GMT+01:00 Russ Allbery : > Don Armstrong writes: > >> It would probably be ideal if there was a better way of indicating which >> latex modules were in each texlive package than currently, but until a >> better method is found, this is probably the best of bad options. > > +1. I c

Re: Bug#762194: Summary:Re: Bug#762194: Proposal for upgrades to jessie (lendows 1)

2014-11-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-29 22:25 GMT+01:00 Svante Signell : > On Sat, 2014-11-29 at 22:01 +0100, Philipp Kern wrote: >> On 2014-11-29 21:30, Steve Langasek wrote: >> > Debian releases when it's ready. If large numbers of our users are >> > going to >> > have a bad experience with jessie as a result of being switc

Re: Technical committee acting in gross violation of the Debian constitution

2014-11-28 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-28 23:29 GMT+01:00 Adam Borowski : > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:36:22PM +0100, Olav Vitters wrote: >> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21:48PM +0100, Marc Haber wrote: >> > Is that as "easy" as running current GNOME without systemd, which is >> > surely possible? >> >> Much easier. Note that if y

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 22:10 GMT+01:00 Simon McVittie : > On 22/11/14 19:54, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> (Maybe systemd has smarter methods for that case which I don't know of) > > I think RequiresMountsFor is what you're looking for. > > ConditionFileExists is not the right th

Re: systemd, fstab, noauto and nofail

2014-11-22 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 20:30 GMT+01:00 Russ Allbery : > Jonas Smedegaard writes: >> Quoting Russ Allbery (2014-11-22 18:01:12) > >>> I also like the idea of not having ssh depend on all local file systems >>> to be mounted. I think it's going to be pretty rare to have a system >>> that has /lib and /etc moun

Re: systemd breaking display manager - no way to force?

2014-11-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-22 2:53 GMT+01:00 Norbert Preining : > Hi Andrei, > >> - purge lxdm (remove might do it as well, but just for good measure) >> - reconfigure lightdm (to make sure display-manager.service symlink >> points to lightdm.service) > > Yes, indeed, there is a bug in the service file shipped by l

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 17:44 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > Quoting Matthias Klumpp (2014-11-20 17:15:50) >> 2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : >> > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >> >> Hi, >> >> >> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansga

Re: init system policy

2014-11-20 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-20 16:12 GMT+01:00 Jonas Smedegaard : > Quoting Vincent Danjean (2014-11-20 14:25:59) >> Hi, >> >> On 18/11/2014 18:36, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: >> > With systemd you can ship a default configuration in >> > /lib/systemd/system and administrators can override specific options, >> > for exa

Re: Being part of a community and behaving

2014-11-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-11-13 22:56 GMT+01:00 Patrick Ouellette : > On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:39:52PM -0800, Russ Allbery wrote: >> Patrick Ouellette writes: >> >> > We do tell users of Debian what to do - that's part of the problem right >> > now. We told the users they will switch init systems, and a large >> >

Bug#768471: ITP: pk-update-icon -- Displays an update-notification tray icon

2014-11-07 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp * Package name: pk-update-icon Version : 1.0.0 Upstream Author : Guido Berhoerster * URL : https://code.guido-berhoerster.org/projects/pk-update-icon/ * License : GPL-2.0+ Programming Lang: C

Re: piece of mind

2014-10-21 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-10-21 17:24 GMT+02:00 Robert Lemmen : > hi matthias, > > On Tue, Oct 21, 2014 at 04:35:20PM +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> [...] >> first place. Having ten processes responsible for bits&pieces of what >> systemd-as-PID1 does instead of one isn't a benefit -- not if all you gain >> by that

Re: piece of mind (Re: Moderated posts?)

2014-10-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-10-13 18:23 GMT+02:00 Miles Fidelman : > Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: >> >> I really don't buy the argument that "the GR proposal was too quiet to >> be noticed by 6+ people". I mean: the proposition happened to be in the >> middle of the post-TC decision wave, on the mailing lists where it >>

Re: Bug#761348: ftp.debian.org: need machine-readable metadata about suites & repositories

2014-09-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-14 15:08 GMT+02:00 Paul Wise : > [Drop the bug since it seems OT there] > > On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 9:02 PM, Holger Levsen wrote: > >> we have the python-distro-info package which at least holds some of that >> info. >> >> how/where would you see that in your "picture"? > > That has the sa

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-12 15:35 GMT+02:00 Thorsten Glaser : > On Thu, 11 Sep 2014, Ansgar Burchardt wrote: > >> Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system. > > I’ve had to do unattended updates of our old Kubuntu desktop at work > at shutdown time as well, due to breakage involved in up

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-12 1:49 GMT+02:00 Cameron Norman : > El mié, 10 de sep 2014 a las 5:34 , Matthias Klumpp > escribió: >> [...] > > What are the options? > > I would like if apps could say somehow (maybe an extension to the AppStream > format?) whether they need offline update

Re: PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-11 16:33 GMT+02:00 Salvo Tomaselli : > In data giovedì 11 settembre 2014 15:40:31, Ansgar Burchardt ha scritto: >> Well, online updates do break software from time to time on my system. >> For system services they usually work fine as they can be restarted by >> the upgrade process, however

PackageKit cleanup: Do you use these functions?

2014-09-10 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hello! (This is just a quick heads-up for the PackageKit-using people in Debian, so if you don't use PK, you can skip this mail.) We are currently cleaning up PackageKit[1] upstream, which means some functionality will soon no longer be available anymore. Short-term (= with one of the next uploads

Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 19:52 GMT+02:00 Zack Weinberg : > Steve Langasek wrote: > >> No, that's not the true package relationship. There's no reason that >> you should always get this added service by default when you install >> a system with non-systemd init that doesn't need logind. Making this >> a recomme

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 17:23 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 16:07 +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> 2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : >> > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: > >> > How? All efforts so far and bugs r

Re: systemd, again (Re: Cinnamon environment now available in testing)

2014-09-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-09-05 15:12 GMT+02:00 Svante Signell : > On Fri, 2014-09-05 at 14:20 +0200, Matthias Urlichs wrote: >> Hi, > >> Thus, unless the user explicitly tells the apt{-get,itude} subsystem not >> to switch to systemd (by whatever means, the details of which I personally >> am not at all interested in)

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-08-13 22:59 GMT+02:00 Theodore Ts'o : > On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 10:18:49PM +0200, Matthias Klumpp wrote: >> Well, Linus' extensions won't break because GNOME updates them with >> every release and ships them with the official GNOME release. > > From the REA

Re: Reverting to GNOME for jessie's default desktop

2014-08-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-08-13 22:05 GMT+02:00 Anthony F McInerney : >> But I'm actually back to gnome3 because with the right >> extensions it is more pleasant." > > So the question is does debian have the extensions he speaks of? > (and) Have debian tweaked those extensions by default, to his liking? > > And to quo

Re: systemd-sysv/shim in testing

2014-07-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-27 22:08 GMT+02:00 Sven Bartscher : > On Sun, 27 Jul 2014 21:21:56 +0200 > Holger Levsen wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> On Sonntag, 27. Juli 2014, Dominik George wrote: >> > >To make it short: I suggest that systemd should only migrate together >> > >with systemd-shim. >> > ACK! >> >> I think you m

Re: I have to write a software center application

2014-07-19 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! Only a short answer, because I am currently on the run - if you need more information on this matter, feel free to contact me off-list. First, I recommend using PackageKit[1][2], which is an easy-to-use abstraction layer for package managers, running on a wide variety of distributions. This sof

Re: let missing-debian-source-format lintian tag be a warning!

2014-07-15 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-16 0:44 GMT+02:00 Mattia Rizzolo : > On Wed, Jul 16, 2014 at 12:39 AM, Michael Gilbert wrote: >> This would be far better solved with a system conffile of some sort >> like /etc/dpkg/dpkg-source.cfg, which admittedly doesn't exist yet. > > in general I feel the lack of a $HOME/.dpkg.conf c

Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-02 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-03 0:40 GMT+02:00 Norbert Preining : > On Wed, 02 Jul 2014, Joerg Jaspert wrote: >> And should we open the archive for a series of "i hate $tool, i never >> want it" packages, where do we stop? In theory we could end up with a >> load of them. > > Joertg, please be reasonable. You know exac

Re: Re: How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?

2014-07-01 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-07-01 19:38 GMT+02:00 Eric Valette : >> I think that this would be an annoying waste of time for most users, >> since only a few people care so much about not being tainted by systemd > > > I do not care being tainted by systemd when it works. Actually on two very > different machines it means

Bug#752900: ITP: appstream-glib -- Library for AppStream metadata access

2014-06-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Package: wnpp Severity: wishlist Owner: Matthias Klumpp * Package name: appstream-glib Version : 0.1.6 Upstream Author : Richard Hughes * URL : http://people.freedesktop.org/~hughsient/appstream-glib/ * License : LGPLv2+ Programming Lang: C Description

Re: systemd-fsck?

2014-05-13 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-13 15:01 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber : > On Mon, 12 May 2014 13:58:31 +0200, Josselin Mouette > wrote: >>Le lundi 12 mai 2014 à 12:16 +0200, Andrew Shadura a écrit : >>> > As far as GDM is concerned, any bug reported with systemd-shim installed >>> > will be ignored. The bug script should probabl

Re: Avoiding systemd

2014-05-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-05-11 15:55 GMT+02:00 Marc Haber : > On Sun, 11 May 2014 14:50:55 +0200, Florian Lohoff wrote: >>There is no way to avoid the "userspace.exe" blob Debian is soon made of. > > To be fair, the major Linuxes will soon be made of that. Red Hat wants > it that way. Oh come on! Do we really have to

Re: concurrent installation of different pkg versions

2014-04-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-28 2:16 GMT+02:00 Don Armstrong : > On Sat, 26 Apr 2014, Russ Allbery wrote: >> And simultaneous installation of multiple versions of packages is >> simply a requirement for many research computing scenarios, usually >> because there's a lot of bespoke scientific code that accomplishes >> s

Re: Debian default desktop environment

2014-04-05 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-04-05 20:18 GMT+02:00 brian m. carlson : > On Sat, Apr 05, 2014 at 07:57:50PM +0200, Josselin Mouette wrote: >> Could you please sum up those discussions and explain what kind of >> changes you would consider to be productive? > > I can sum up the discussions that were had last time on debian-

Re: its developers and its users. [was: something from util-linux]

2014-02-12 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-02-12 12:26 GMT+01:00 Oleg : > On Wed, Feb 12, 2014 at 11:51:38AM +0100, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: >> > I'm using debian and i don't want to use systemd in any form (with >> > gnome3, >> > etc). >> >> Great. gnome3 does not depend on systemd directly. It depends on some >> interfaces provided (s

Re: Bug#727708: Fsck SystemD and its developers and its users. GR to override this please.

2014-02-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014-02-11 17:03 GMT+01:00 : >[...] > And if I _really_ needed a binary index, I would put it in a separate file. Guess what journald is doing ;-) And if the journal is not running in persistent mode, this extra logfile only exists temporarily and everything is forwarded to rsyslog, so you gat you

Re: CUPS is now linked against OpenSSL

2014-01-11 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2014/1/11 Andreas Metzler : > Svante Signell wrote: > [...] >> What are the chances of cups re-licensing (dual-licensing) to GPL2+? >> This would be a step in the right direction. (in worst case use some >> other software package than cups as default for printing) > > I'd guess minimal, iirc Apple

Re: Debian Developers team in Launchpad

2013-12-16 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/12/16 Tae Wong : > Here is a post to LibreOffice's problem with the editing copyright message: > http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/libreoffice/2013-December/058214.html > > You're not subscribed to debian-devel and LibreOffice's mailing list. I have the feeling that this is indeed some kin

Re: Re: Bug#727708: tech-ctte: Decide which init system to default to in Debian.

2013-10-29 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/29 Steven Chamberlain : > [...] > > Just wondering, if systemd upstream cares only for Linux and that's > considered okay, might they also start dropping support for > architectures they stop caring about (or for commercial reasons)? Say > MIPS, s390, SPARC. In that case, permanently ditc

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Colin Watson : > [...] > One thing I will say here and now: if I feel under pressure from my > employer to vote a particular way, then I will immediately recuse myself > from the vote and from further part in the discussion. I'd hope that > would be generally understood as ethical behav

Re: let's split the systemd binary package

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Neil Williams : > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 10:36:30 -0400 > Marvin Renich wrote: > >> However, it is obviously true that systemd as the default init >> system is controversial, and that GNOME depends on it. While GNOME >> may work with systemd installed but not PID 1 at the moment, in >> an

Re: Proposal: let’s have a GR about the init system

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Thorsten Glaser : > Paul Tagliamonte debian.org> writes: > >>Decide any technical matter where Developers' jurisdictions overlap. > > This is more or less a political question (and one of trust and one to > FINALLY decide what package maintainers and porters can depend on, so > that

Re: Proposal: switch init system to systemd or upstart

2013-10-25 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/25 Neil Williams : > On Fri, 25 Oct 2013 14:29:54 +0200 > m...@linux.it (Marco d'Itri) wrote: > >> It is more and more obvious that modern software needs an event-based >> init system. >> >> Pros: >> - more features >> - stable support for advanced boot/SAN environments >> - being more simi

Re: systemd effectively mandatory now due to GNOME

2013-10-23 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/24 Steve Langasek : > [...] >> If Gnome depends on gnome-settings-daemon, which now depends on systemd, >> this might be a worrying trend, as non-Linux kernels don't support systemd. > > Well, that's one more reason the init system and the dbus services should be > separated out in the pack

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
2013/10/14 Paul Wise : > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 12:21 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >> It just checks that - I wanted it to look for upload-priorities in >> Debian changelogs some time ago, but doing that was just way too slow. > > Higher upload priorities doesn'

Re: Bug#719673: ITP: needrestart -- needrestart checks which daemons need to be restarted after library upgrades

2013-10-14 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/8/22 Paul Wise : > On Thu, Aug 22, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Matthias Klumpp wrote: > >> PackageKit can do that ;-) It has a plugin to check for shared >> libraries in use, I just haven't tested in yet. It should show the >> names of services which need to be rest

Re: jenkins vs. debile [was: Re: Bits from the Release]

2013-09-27 Thread Matthias Klumpp
Hi! 2013/9/27 Michael Tautschnig : >> [...] > > Would you/Matthias be willing to share the feedback on jenkins more widely? I > do > presently run a system with ~60,000 jobs, and, yes, this is probably somewhat > beyond what jenkins was meant to scale to. Yet jenkins does have the practical > adva

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