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> Eric Valette writes:
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> > You can force the migration by explicitly adding the package that it
> > propose to remove (e.g gdb for libelf, ...)
>
> > I managed to upgrade all packages you mention in your mail that
> > way. Only libkf5akonadis
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> Dear developers,
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> With the last known blockers resolved, I have now uploaded NMUs of the
> experimental versions of gcc-13 and gcc-14 to unstable, and a corresponding
> upload of dpkg changing the default build flags is expected to follo
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On Mon, 12 May 2014 12:00:48 +0200
A debian dev wrote:
> Nobody cares.
>
> Please go away.
You apparently don't care that an official debian document is making
sweeping incorrect statements even though I have told you I have
professional experience in this area and pointed debian to a buildroot
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> I haven't yet seen a system where booting with init=/bin/bash works but
> booting systemd in emergency mode does not.
Have you added me to a killfile?
I mentioned such a bug as happened in Arch testing in this very thread
or do you mean a d
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> > Will a script doing this be portable to other Linuxes or even BSD
> > Unices?
> >
> No. BSD has daemon(8). If you want portability, you probably need to check
> what's available. (start-stop-daemon, daemon (on BSDs), sudo)
>
I can tell
previously on this list Russ Allbery contributed:
> by the non-stop sniping (for *months* now) by people like Kevin Chadwick,
Well I have only responded to incorrect statements and have tried to
ignore any that are not from debian developers and may not affect the
future of debian but you ca
previously on this list Steve Langasek contributed:
> Yes. This has been the case for su in Debian since 1999, and to do
> otherwise would break a variety of configurations where session setup is
> required in order for, e.g., the su process to have access to the files of
> the target user.
It s
previously on this list Steve Langasek contributed:
> > Using systemd breaks something that worked for probably a decade or longer
> > before however long that su is in that init script. So on what account do
> > you call calling "su" in an init script a bug? It may not be the most
> > elegant s
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> I also would not expect an "end user" to add "su foo -c /do/whatever" to
> /etc/rc.local. Your opinion may differ, that's OK.
My opinion certainly does differ as I'm sure is already apparent ;-)
especially that pid1 and single user should mo
previously on this list Simon McVittie contributed:
> That would let cautious systemd users keep the
> sysvinit binaries around, and boot with init=/usr/lib/sysvinit/init if
> something went horribly wrong with systemd.
Not that it would affect me but that would be wise, an upstream bug
caused ar
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> Hi,
>
> Kevin Chadwick:
> > > * last but not least: if you do have a tangible reason for your post, i.e.
> > > one of your packages doesn't work with the way systemd is packaged,
> > > kind
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> > >
> > > Sorry, but I suspect the latter.
> >
> > Why did I expect any reasonable and balanced discussion! I suspect
> > but haven't mentioned that I expect the reasons for bundling these
> > components together to be on highly questionabl
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previously on this list Kevin Chadwick contributed:
> all sorts of stuff that would make any chroot
> in this way pointless. "more powerful" I expect means less secure in
> this usage.
p.p.s. why implement yet more code and complexity into systemd for
preventing device file
On Fri, 02 May 2014 10:55:15 +0200
Aaron Zauner wrote:
> Bashing on Tor does not help here.
The page suggests all devs use Tor to avoid being targetted.
I am saying, does it accomplish that and is is best practice. Should
they be hackable even if they are targetted or stumbled upon. I find
that
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On Wed, 30 Apr 2014 18:33:56 +0200
Aaron Zauner wrote:
> > It adds a lot of complexity for privacy benefit. Integrity is often
> > muddled into security too. As far as I am concerned they can actually
> > counter each other and are seperate entities.
> No they are not. Integrity should be part
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Unix-like systems it's 'modern' replacement 'apropos' on Linux is a tool
to help psychopaths learn to control their anger
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Unix-like systems it's 'modern' replacement 'apropos' on Linux is a tool
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because whilst 'apropos' is traditionally the most powerful command on
Unix-like systems it's 'modern' replacement 'apropos'
On Tue, 29 Apr 2014 00:20:05 +
Jacob Appelbaum wrote:
> >
> > Tor provides privacy and more likely lowers security so which threat
> > against contributors or contributor actions is the Tor policy aimed to
> > protect?
>
> I'm confused, what? How does Tor lower security and at the same time
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Unix-like systems it's 'modern&#x
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On Mon, 21 Apr 2014 10:55:36 +0200
Kurt Roeckx wrote:
> > I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. But look at the
> > example of the random number generator in my other e-mail. I've
> > seen other cases were they do things like that. And I can
> > perfectly understand why they do it, and t
so aggressively on LINUX mailing lists
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that is a
universal interface'
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In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd
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On Fri, 18 Apr 2014 14:57:41 +0200
Aaron Zauner wrote:
> > Usually the Linux kernel itself provides more than enough entropy. This
> > can (and probably should) be enhanced but should not be done in a
> > specific distribution.
I know there has been a little work on the kernel in this area, main
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because whilst 'apropos' is traditionally the most powerful command on
Unix-like systems it's 'modern' replacement 'apropos' on Linux is a tool
to help psychopaths learn to control their anger.
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universal interface'
(Doug McIlroy)
In Other Words - Don't design like polkit or systemd
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because whilst 'apropos' is traditionally the most powerful command on
Unix-like systems it's
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Unix-like systems it's 'modern' replacement 'apropos' on Linux is a tool
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Unix-like systems it's 'modern' replacement 'apropos' on Linux is a tool
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previously on this list Bas Wijnen contributed:
> On Tue, Apr 01, 2014 at 10:49:15PM +0100, Kevin Chadwick wrote:
> > > I think at Debian we all agree that it would be a good
> > > thing if everything would be encrypted, so this is a very bad outcome.
> >
> >
design like polkit or systemd
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On 28 Mar 2014 03:40, Olav Vitters wrote:
[...]
> > I can tell you right now, it is *vastly more difficult* to try to
> > adapt programs modified to work with systemd in their current state,
> > than it is to *revert* those programs to their pre-systemd state.
>
> You're so certain while so utterly
On 26 Mar 2014 12:30, Matthias Urlichs wrote:
[...]
> > But here is the vastly oversimplified technical argument...
> >
> To the point of being neither technical nor valid.
> (Which admittedly was never in doubt even before I started reading.)
What do you consider technical?
Vastly oversimplifie
On 26 March 2014 13:42, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
[...]
> As far as the systemd vs. upstart discussion, I was leaning in upstart (more
> precisely, against systemd). As such, your email was very interesting to me.
> Unfortunately, it was unreadable. You said you'll start with background, but
> instea
On 26 March 2014 10:13, Cameron Norman wrote:
[...]
> That is pretty much impossible, according to the developers of the logind
> API and its single implementation. Perhaps a subset of the logind API for
> use by desktop environments / compositors would be more useful in this init
> and OS portabi
On 26 March 2014 05:40, Thomas Goirand wrote:
[...]
> If you want thing to move on, stop posting useless messages, and start
> working on alternatives. For example, helping adding more features to
> OpenRC would certainly help a way more than this post.
I am going to have to respectfully disagre
previously on this list Brett Parker contributed:
> Maybe you should do some more investigation, get some better clue of
> what you're talking about, and come back with a better, more thought
> out, set of arguments that actually have merit.
Right, by arguing on the basis of the definition of Lin
On Tuesday, March 25, 2014 11:40:02 AM UTC-5, Jonathan Dowland wrote:
> I was very proud of my fellow colleagues for not feeding the troll a
> full 24 hours later. Thanks for breaking the record :(
Jonathan we've been through this before.
-> https://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2012/11/msg
On 25 March 2014 11:25, William Unruh wrote:
[...]
> And if they are there, together with all the boldfacing, people tend to
> think that you are a complete kook. So you makes your choices...
Okay, my apologies.
I am not very experienced with lists and the expectations that run within them.
Her
On 25 March 2014 08:54, Federico Di Gregorio wrote:
[...]
> Lots of asterisks won't make a point.
The asterisks are there to specifically focus your attention on those words.
Because -> I find that if I don't use them -> people tend to misread
what I write (or more so at least)
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-> systemd is *fundamentally incompatible* with linux
Now, I realize that's a bold claim, but if you are up for some reading, I
will prove it.
First -> a little history just to put this into a context that's easier to
follow
Over a year ago (Nov 2012), I tried to *
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> > I did a „setcap cap_sys_ptrace+eip
> > /usr/lib/nagios/plugins/check_procs”, but a normal user can’t still
> > check for running programs of another user.
> >
> > What did I wrong?
> >
> check_procs is a script, not a "real" executable.
previously on this list Kevin Chadwick contributed:
> Perhaps before this thread spirals out of control I should
should also mention this has been discussed on this very list already,
though before I was enrolled and the following response went
unreplied to.
On the other hand and I doubt
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> One sample usecase where they dont't: "the system is wedged / overcommitted
> and I need to terminate some services; guess I'll start another ten processes
> to do that". Yeah, right.
>
> I'll be nice to everybody else here and not enumerate
Perhaps before this thread spirals out of control I should re-iterate
that what I said was cgroups doesn't pass the worth-it barrier for me
and not that they have NO value.
I also mentioned pgroups for those that do want this functionality but
also want portability and not bugs in daemons on one
previously on this list Marco d'Itri contributed:
> > But you aren't planning on running openrc at all, are you?
> Who is? Seriously, would you mind stepping forward?
If it was available I would use it but wouldn't be switching cgroups
on or would be switching them off even if I hadn't bothered
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> > Kevin, I don't think you understand the reasoning behind this. Again,
> > the problem the init system has to solve here is being able to track a
> > process with a 100% accuracy, so whatever automated mechanisms
On Fri, 21 Feb 2014 23:53:51 +0100
John Paul Adrian Glaubitz wrote:
> Kevin, I don't think you understand the reasoning behind this. Again,
> the problem the init system has to solve here is being able to track a
> process with a 100% accuracy, so whatever automated mecha
previously on this list hero...@gentoo.org contributed:
> > And grepping through the output of "ps" or similar is not what
> > I would consider reliable and robust either.
>
> Nod. grepping `ps` is what we should avoid at all cost.
All cost? While I like OpenRC and thanks to Gentoo for it and
previously on this list Helmut Grohne contributed:
> > It's just occurred to me that the binary format may not work with append
> > only logging?
>
> That's true for the journal. When the journal opens its binary log, it
> flags the file as being opened, but what is the issue with not being
> a
previously on this list Thomas Goirand contributed:
> So, systemd is still using /etc/rc?.d. Could you tell exactly what it
> uses out of /etc/rc?.d, and what for? Does it only needs to see them as
> S??script-name in runlevel 2 or 4 (or whatever it uses...)?
>
> If systemd needs links in /etc/rc
previously on this list Svante Signell contributed:
> > To answer the original poster's own question, what can he do?
> >
> > He can stop writing these emails and start writing code (a fork of
> > systemd supporting kFreeBSD, to be specific)
>
> I don't think forking systemd is a good choice,
previously on this list Helmut Grohne contributed:
> So for the time being (i.e. until all of my systems and recovery systems
> are converted to systemd), I do see a slight[2] disadvantage
> It may take even longer until all initramfs will use
> systemd (and I do want to read logs from the initra
previously on this list John Paul Adrian Glaubitz contributed:
> The problem is that many people who complain about PulseAudio issues
> are often prejudiced about it in the first place such that they aren't
> actually interested in having the problem fixed but rather just want
> to get rid of it a
previously on this list Matthias Urlichs contributed:
> > discussion. No, we should not depend on it for Debian; but we should
> > provide the interface for system administrators who wish to use it,
> > because it is not Debian's place to tell them that they cannot use that
> > interface.
> >
>
previously on this list Steve Langasek contributed:
> All
> software has bugs. The difference is in how you handle them.
And how many!!! AND how many per 1000 lines AND how many run with
priviledges.
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