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in the decision making.
As Sam and Roberto explain below (doing a much better job than I did),
there are, nor did I intend to imply that there were not. There are no
*formal* ones such as participation in GRs.
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Paul E Condon writes:
I've been using Debian since Potato.
So have I.
> I love it, but you should have at least two computers running Debian,
> and be able to spend a few hours or days with one of them
> non-functional
I've never had that problem.
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> So, if I want to write bug reports, what is now the correct expression
> for cron? cron-daemon|cron?
Don't overthink it. If you are having a problem with cron type
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theory. A casual reading of the legislative history of this
(execrable) law indicates that it was not the intent of Congress to
criminalize such things as violation of TOS.
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best way I could think of to alert those members of the Debian community
who might be impacted by the change. I have suggested that this
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Ok, I;m sure someone is. If you're that someone are you using the
"--terse" option? If not how much hassle would it be to have add it?
Upstream is considering non-backward-compatible changes.
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dd about a 1.5 second delay.
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ct will be quite obvious in the logs so
$syslog should be able live with the rare stepping.
I think I'll have chrony require hwclockfirst and add "X-Start-Before"s
for packages such as dovecot that stepping might break (so if you know
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$time chrony
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does.
No, wait. Chrony depends on things that depend indirectly on $time (so
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Petter Reinholdtsen writes:
> If you are going to do this, it might be a good idea to try to do it
> before the syslog collector starts, as most daemons depend on $syslog
> and would thus start after the clock is correct.
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really help as hwclock is always present and would satisfy the $time
requirements before chrony started.
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"X-Start-Before": no "s"). A "Should-Start" might suffice, though.
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7;m not sure
> which) would correct the time, the clock would move backwards 30
> seconds or so and dovecot would crash.
I can add an "X-Starts-Before: dovecot" line to protect dovecot.
I think that ideally chrony would replace hwclock as provider of $time
when present but I don&#x
, but I'd have
to know what all could be adversely affected and booting would be
slowed.
> Other than this, I don't know any reason why you shouldn't.
Well, it's a reason. But note that such backward stepping would only
happen when your clock is really screwed up.
-
ve to slew it (which can take hours for large errors) or give
up. This would only happen on rare occasions.
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Michelle Konzack writes:
> In the USA... Not in Germany and France. Ignoring DRM let you run into
> touble here.
This is _not_ DRM. It is just advisory locking. It has no more legal
significance than "X-please-do-not-copy: yes" in the header of an email
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people "DRM" has to do with music
and videos.
> This for sure doesn't help about the current discussion.
I just wanted to clarify the point that this advisory locking is not DRM.
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the process exits it exits. It doesn't matter how quickly it is
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problem. I've had no response from upstream.
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colonists when their first winter arrived.
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> Hawaii ('Pacific/Honolulu)
IIRC Hawaii does not observe DST (DST makes even less sense in the tropics
than it does here).
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"À³î" writes:
> I just want to know why debian weekly news was not updated?
Because the voluteer who was doing it has decided not to do it any more.
He has asked for help in every issue, but none was forthcoming.
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[ 3 ] Choice 1: Re-affirm DPL, wish success to unofficial Dunc Tank
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[ 1 ] Choice 3: Further discussion
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s. It also does not apply to work done by US
federal government contractors.
> ...are undermined by enough special cases that it's best not to rely on
> them without an explicit statement.
Could you describe these special cases?
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it was written by a US government employee on government time it is not
protected by US copyright. If it was published in the US before 1989
without a copyright notice it is in the public domain.
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Pierre Habouzit writes:
> I strongly oppose to such an expulsion.
So do I.
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is, or is it just libel?
> ...what's stopping us from officially discouraging Ubuntu's existence?
The fact that most of us are interested in cooperation or at least peaceful
coexistence.
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Andrew writes:
> Aren't we in a similar situation with other stuff that is in main
> already? rsync springs to mind.
Don't forget the Linux kernel.
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Ubuntu should be sorting out whether such problems are present in Debian
> before sending them to the Debian maintainer.
Ubuntu should certainly first try to make sure the problem is not theirs.
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g is likely to be present in the corresponding Debian package. If
you are wrong once in a while it's hardly the end of the world.
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I wrote:
> I am pleased when downstream distributions notify me that they are using
> my packages.
mdz writes:
> Have you ever received such a notification?
Yes.
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sent in Ubuntu sounds like spam to me...
It doesn't to me. I am pleased when downstream distributions notify me
that they are using my packages.
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o do so, but
> in my experience Ubuntu developers have been very cooperative when they
> have been approached. So I don't see a big problem.
I don't either. After all, most users don't file bug reports, and Ubuntu
is (in my view), a user. It would be nice to have their feedback
and
uses '.' where you would use ',' in numbers.
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BTW the US is not the only country with such laws.
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e pointless than it already is.
I don't see why we need to concern ourselves about it, though. Intel has
lawyers. If they have to disqualify some candidates for legal reasons they
can do so without our help.
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Erinn Clark writes:
> Surely flaming people on mailing lists as a way to get things done is not
> something people want to encourage in NMs... right?
Right. After all, as we all know, no DD would ever do such a thing.
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I wrote:
> I think that DD's do not use dpkg-sig and debsigs because they believe
> them to be hard to use and not supported by the infrastructure or by
> policy.
Marc Haber writes:
> dpkg-sig is harly "hard to use".
Please re-read what I wrote.
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> Security is more than package signatures.
What is your specific proposal?
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> So, most of the DD's do not care about security at all.
I think that DD's do not use dpkg-sig and debsigs because they believe them
to be hard to use and not supported by the infrastructure or by policy.
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> I'd like to know if anyone cares about using these binary signatures
I do.
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fer included? Would you be willing to check
the CD for other GPL software and notify the authors if you find any?
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BSD license is not compatible with the GPL. It
is.
> If not, I doubt Nexenta OS will ever be part of Debian community and will
> continue its way more like Ubunutu. Think about it.
I'd say that sounds like a threat, but what would it be a threat of?
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> This should help FreeBSD ... non-glibc ports to suvirve.
In what way does the GPL licensing of dpkg harm such FreeBSD ports?
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ch the executable runs, unless that component
> itself accompanies the executable."^
^
So you are distributing the CDDL components seperately?
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> I think that popcon is a bit underrated in the project.
Does the installer mention popcon?
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> Is that license acceptable to the Debian community?
Looks fine to me. Is it going to be retroactive?
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> IOW, preserve the copyright statement, but not the entire notice.
What's wrong with preserving the entire notice?
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copyright in the first place.
It was never even required in the US. There once was some sort of a
pan-American copyright treaty and the phrase was required by some member
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Stefano Zacchiroli writes:
> IMHO is too much to inhibit the use of the program as a whole just to
> minimize the collision risk, a warning would have been enough.
Particularly considering that there are better ways to assure the
uniqueness of message-ids anyway.
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rienced them but many
others did.
> It is absolutely irrelevant if the problemes are exactely specified or
> not.
If the addition of "localhost.localdomain" caused you a problem we need to
know exactly what it was so that we can fix it.
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W. Borgert wrote:
> (I would prefer to get all the technical information on
> debian-devel
Andreas writes:
> Same for me who does not spent time in reading blogs.
Me as well.
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gt; categories of the FHS, only on a per-user basis. This will help
> administration of per-user installed stuff in the same way that the
> FHS helps with machine-global installed stuff.
I like this idea.
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ority the service is supposed
> to be started/stopped at, is essential, I think.
If you've had any such problems with sysvconfig please file bug reports.
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order to file suit against you in his home jurisdiction?
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<http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/html/uscode17/usc_sec_17_0109----000-.html>
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Thomas Bushnell writes:
> Not quite correct. You are buing not just the right to read it; you are
> also buying the physical copy, and you may do with it what you want: loan
> it, rent it...
In some jurisdictions lending is an exclusive right of the copyright
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That's pretty much the US notion of "originality".
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That's the problem. How does the law judge the quality of works of
authorship? Do the courts employ panels of literary critics?
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The Fungi writes:
> Perhaps I'm missing something, but it seems to me that it would be more
> effective to try to get http://www.callwave.com/members/cancel/ bumped up
> to the top of the google search instead.
Now that sounds sensible.
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> I believe I did reply to them.
But I did not cc them. That was my point (I replied privately with an
entirely different message).
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label "spam" that US courts would find it "confusingly similar" to Hormel's
"SPAM" mark. While the canonical form of a word trademark is all caps,
changing the capitalization or typeface won't save you from infringement.
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Don't follow up. Reply to them privately.
> On a side note, I believe that if you are going to follow up, you should
> at least be polite.
Unless you cc them they are not going to see the follow up. They are not
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Please do not follow up to these messages. These idiots apparently Google
the phrase and then spam all the addresses they find. Posting about the
subject here just creates more hits.
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Matthew Garrett writes:
> That should be "spam" - "SPAM" is a trademark of Hormel Foods
> Corporation.
Only when used to sell food (in which case "spam" would also infringe the
mark).
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Tommy Nordgren writes:
> I wan't to do this because my own OS don't contain any built in support
> tools for Debian Archives
You want the 'alien' program. It should be available for your
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Perhaps we need some sort of a "weakly conflicts". Sort of the inverse of
"recommends".
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tribution. This is true for any port including i386.
Make it 98% of the packages buildable on the accepted port with the highest
build percentage.
How was 98% arrived at?
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Timo Aaltonen writes:
> I admit that a machine without network is of little use...
Bringing the machine up without networking can be useful for problem
solving. I prefer to use multiple consoles when doing so. This requires
multiuser.
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I wrote:
> You would have a team maintain 'units'? That's silly.
W. Borgert writes:
> If the team maintains only the package 'units', yes. If the
> same team maintains multiple relating packages, it's different.
There are no packages related to unit
W. Borgert writes:
> as a conclusion of many discussions at DebConf5, I propose to maintain
> all packages by teams.
You would have a team maintain 'units'? That's silly.
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Perhaps the upstream README should be renamed 'README.upstream'?
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hat the Debian site search was still broken.)
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I wrote:
> Does there exist a list of all the packages that install scripts in
> /etc/init.d?
Marco writes:
> Yes, it's called Contents-$ARCH.gz...
Thanks. That gives me some of what I need.
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/etc/init.d?
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I wrote:
> Please check the archives. This has been discussed many times. It is
> clear that there is going to be no change.
Javier writes:
> The last sentence is not true. For some of the compelling reasons as to
> why this should change...
I didn't say it shouldn't c
Henrique de Moraes Holschuh writes:
> If the local admin needs multiple multi-user runlevels, he can always set
> it up himself (and use a initscript system that supports it without
> hassle ;-) ),
Could you suggest one?
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Joe Smith writes:
> policy-rc.d
> update-rc.d (this is the only one installed on my system)
> sysvconfig
> Any others? This seems excessive!
Update-rc.d and sysvconfig do not do the same thing. Read the man pages.
And policy-rc.d is not an rc.d manager.
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> But the downsize is later, unless one keeps records, one isn't quite sure
> of just what tampering one has done in /etc/rc?.d/
Sysvconfig keeps records.
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for their respective target audiences.
It _should_...
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ld focus
on the domain of application.
> So I'd suggest concentrating on the 3% of packages non-technical users
> might actually want to select manually, and making sure those have
> legible and searchable descriptions.
Technical users don't deserve legible and searchable descript
Michael writes:
> Adam, I'm kind of curious what you mean by that
I took it for a joke.
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Francesco P. Lovergine writes:
> Any possibility of producing a nice web report on a per package basis?
> ...
> Filling BTS reports could be not so appropriate.
I'd prefer bug reports.
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