iles in /bin
etc. shouldn't be a problem as far as I understand it. And we changed dpkg to
never delete the symlinks when no package ships the /bin directory anymore so it
also shouldn't be a problem if all packages that used to ship /bin etc/ are
upgraded before base-files is upgraded.
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ompliant and
working. Something that is in direct contradiction with a standard is definitely
non-compliant. Whether it works or not is not relevant for that.
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ise.
Also not updating the processor microcode by default is in my opinion
in direct conflict with that users are our priority and that "we will
provide an integrated system of high-quality materials", but that's
probably a slightly different subject because it is not required to be
on the installation medium.
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doesn't mean it is free. And
if it is also impossible to replace the software you also can't update
it with a free version so the user has even less freedom than when you
can replace the software with something else.
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system does, so
disabling it by default seems to be just privacy theater to me.
(I.e. it's a inconvenient measure that gives a feeling that Debian
does something for privacy but in practice doesn't really do much to
achieve that, similar to security theater)
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y be blocked based on file extension using the foxhole rules
for clamav (http://sanesecurity.com/foxhole-databases/). And clamav
can probably also be used to automatically clean the bug archive of
such messages.
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same way as mailman 2 then it
should do same as mailman 2 and recommend "default-mta |
mail-transport-agent" and should not suggest or recommend postfix.
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7;t mean it is perfect and we should
never change anything again. It is still a good idea to look how
things can be done better. And the way people administrate systems
also change, nowadays it is for example a lot more common to put
configuration in a configuration management system compared to 15
years ago.
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goes MIA and something needs
to be fixed? Do we then get forks of libraries that have only 30 lines
of code, everybody has to update their dependencies to get the fixed
version, etc.? That is also overhead you wouldn't have with a standard
library maintained by a group of developers.
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At Thu, 24 Sep 2015 08:11:48 -0400,
Marvin Renich wrote:
>
> * Jeroen Dekkers [150924 07:23]:
> > At Wed, 23 Sep 2015 13:53:11 -0400,
> > Marvin Renich wrote:
> > > I think it should be documented in the developers reference that if you
> > > attempt to st
g else to let the user know that something went wrong. Just
printing an error message isn't enough, because the user might not see
that (for example when multiple packages are installed/upgraded and a
later package asks some questions using dialog or when using
unattended-upgrades).
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--configure
-a" and "apt-get --reinstall install cron"? Because until they do they
also won't get any automatic security updates...
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we're talking about C? So why would it be okay if we're talking
about javascript?
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ice names? In most desktop setups a „tcpdump -i eth0” is the right
> command.
I think people who know how to use tcpdump will also be able to type
in "ip addr" to look up the device name they want to dump.
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> Package: wnpp
> Severity: wishlist
> Owner: David Douard
>
> * Package name: libnacl
> Version : 1.4.2
> Upstream Author : Thomas S Hatch
> * URL : https://libnacl.readthedocs.org/
> * License : Apac
d help get help. And removing from
testing isn't an option for packages for which no alternative exists
such as grub.
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accept that systemd is the default init system in jessie and that the
majority of developers and users don't seem to have any problem with
that.
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At Tue, 23 Sep 2014 08:51:56 +0200,
Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
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> Quoting Brian May (2014-09-23 08:02:22)
> >On 29 July 2014 19:04, Jeroen Dekkers <[1]jer...@dekkers.ch> wrote:
> >
> > As far as I can see this is a bug in the apache2 packaging. The httpd
>
I really like the idea proposed by the systemd developers: it should
be possible to just remove /etc and/or /var and the system should boot
and populate /etc and /var with the necessary files:
http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/stateless.html
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At Wed, 30 Jul 2014 22:17:43 -0700,
tony mancill wrote:
> I contacted the upstream author (on the cc: - hi Frank), and his concern
> with the passphraseless key trigger mechanism is precisely that you
> don't have a passphrase. The key is unprotected and subject to
> theft/unauthorized use. This
fy what httpd-wsgi should mean, because
some WSGI servers are full webservers with WSGI support such as apache
and others like gunicorn are only supposed to run behind a proxying
server such as apache or nginx (similar to for example php-fpm).
So as far as I can see, the correct dependency should be
, so none of the other apache packages are
installed when that happens. Maybe it is good enough to check whether
the apache2-data packages is available? Detecting that the purge
happens after the upgrade can probably be done by checking which
package owns the configuration files.
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hout the need for any key material/certificates or need to
fake DNSSEC. For HTTPS it would need to have a certificate for
people.debian.org that the client trusts.
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2-bin and there exists a
transitional package in jessie it might be a better candidate. Then
you would have to move it again in the jessie package, but I'm afraid
there aren't any easy solutions.
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d by OpenVPN-NL, the hardened OpenVPN version
that is used by the Dutch government.
The downsides are that it looks like it doesn't have a stable API
and contributing needs copyright assignment because it is
dual-licensed.
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At Sun, 13 Jul 2014 09:26:38 +0200,
Vincent Bernat wrote:
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> ❦ 12 juillet 2014 23:08 +0100, Steve McIntyre :
>
> > And I've got to ask: for the couple of trivial examples that Frederick
> > pointed out - why on earth do these even exist as libraries instead of
> > being inlined wherever they'r
At Thu, 03 Jul 2014 14:20:24 +0200,
Juliusz Chroboczek wrote:
>
> > You have not yet explained why apt pinning is not enough.
>
> >>> Simply because apt is not the only way to install packages.
>
> >> Don't synaptic and/or whatever honor these pins too?
>
> > I have no idea about synaptic,
At Wed, 2 Jul 2014 00:13:31 +0100,
Wookey wrote:
>
> +++ Lars Wirzenius [2014-07-01 18:34 +0100]:
> > On Tue, Jul 01, 2014 at 04:23:01PM +0100, Wookey wrote:
> > > You get a choice of 'prevent-systemd' which stops it running as init
> > > but allows the -shim and libpam packages so that logind and
At Thu, 12 Jun 2014 18:35:39 +0200,
Christoph Anton Mitterer wrote:
>
> On Thu, 2014-06-12 at 10:30 +0200, Thorsten Glaser wrote:
> > The buildd-related software (and most people when doing manual builds
> > with cowbuilder) uses “apt-get source foo” to download the file, fully
> > assuming that
At Thu, 12 Jun 2014 08:36:16 +0200,
Matthias Urlichs wrote:
> That being said, sometimes you just need the binary equivalent of an
> uncompressible Lorem Ipsum text (dd if=/dev/urandom), but IMHO the kernel
> could (and should) provide a device for that.
If you just want to overwrite something wit
t or output
device, or a color space". It looks like an ICC profile contains just
facts and mere facts aren't copyrightable.
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his sort of behaviour is precisely why so many people not only
> dislike systemd, but also it's maintainers.
Why are you blaming the systemd maintainers for decisions made by the
GNOME maintainers about GNOME?
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on be made of that. Red Hat wants
> it that way.
Maybe you should think about how your fellow Debian developers who
have no association with Red Hat but just think systemd is technically
better and who are working hard to get systemd working right in Debian
feel when reading such statemen
forks of
OpenSSL such as LibreSSL, in case LibreSSL or another fork is
preferred over OpenSSL in the future. You can take wget as an example:
http://metadata.ftp-master.debian.org/changelogs/main/w/wget/wget_1.15-1_copyright
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hen building the binary packages because the javascript
libraries are already packaged in Debian, then it isn't possible that
something bad sneaks in our packages. So why repack the upstream
tarball?
I don't really see any value in repacking every upstream tarball that
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Package: wnpp
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* Package name: sope
Version : 1.3.14
Upstream Author : Inverse inc.
* URL : http://www.sogo.nu
* License : LGPL
Programming Lang: Objective-C
Description : SKYRiX Object Publishing Environment
Package: wnpp
Severity: wishlist
Owner: Jeroen Dekkers
* Package name: sbjson
Version : 2.3.2
Upstream Author : Stig Brautaset
* URL : http://stig.github.com/json-framework/
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allows nomad laptop users to easily change their
> > configuration.
> >
> > This package is ready to be uploaded within a few hours.
>
> This would be what, package no 6, for switching laptop network config?
> *t
This one does probably something different than the others
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 10:46:12AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 05:33:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
>
> > Oh, and 1) the Hurd isn't a kernel
>
> Wonderful news! Does this mean that we can expect the
> '-the-linux-kernel-packages-sh
On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 03:13:57PM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 11, 2002 at 01:02:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
>
> > > In such cases I sometimes decide to run the non-free tool if it saves
> > > me some time. After all I want to get my job
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:49:55PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > Isn't the goal of Debian
> > providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-free
> > software anymore?
>
> No, no, nonono, no, no, no.
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 10:29:56AM +0200, Torsten Landschoff wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:40:41PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > s/refused/discouraged/ and I would agree. Isn't the goal of Debian
> > providing a free system so users don't have to run any non-
seemed to
>be of a technical nature and relevant to the list.
>
> My question wasn't really of the "user" variety (how do I
> configure a fire wall, how do ... in dselect, etc.).
Actual my point was that you should ask vmware for the patch, we can't
provi
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 06:38:13PM -0300, Henrique de Moraes Holschuh wrote:
> On Tue, 09 Apr 2002, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > But does that mean they can posts question about problems with that
> > non-free software which are not related to Debian at all (the only
> > rela
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:52:46PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > > Blow off the non-free software user, no. If you have nothing to offer
> > > by way of help with vmware itself, then your silence will be enough to
> > &g
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:12PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> >
> > By knowing the date it was written and what they actually meant
> > instead of what they actually have written down. (For example, they
> > meant non-fre
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:16:07PM +0100, Stephen Stafford wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:11:59PM +0100, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:45:16PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> >
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:20:38PM -0300, Ben Armstrong wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > This problem is very common for non-free software. If you want to
> > avoid such problems, you could try one of the free alternatives in
> > Deb
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:53:59PM -0400, Daniel Jacobowitz wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 08:25:47PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 02:13:25PM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > I agreed with the social contract, but I think it should be
> > changed. Some parts are just wrong, other things are confusing.
>
> That certainly looks like
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 01:21:49PM -0500, Colin Watson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:29:14PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> > > On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > >
On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
> with your vmware problems. (Debian does support plex86 and bochs,
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 05:34:35PM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > First of all this isn't a Debian-specific change but a change in
> > glibc. Second vmware isn't Debian. Third Debian goes about free
&
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:46:33AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > That isn't my biggest concern.
>
> Apparently. This implies, of course, that the additional bandwidth due
> to those messages isn't the real problem.
On Wed, Apr 10, 2002 at 01:31:35AM +1000, Anthony Towns wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 04:30:54PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > Do you really think it's a waste of
> > > bandwidth and processing power to let the vmware users discuss a
> > > problem caused
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 11:10:20AM -0400, Stephen Frost wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote:
> > And yes, I think vmware is a waste of processing power and
> > bandwith. Those posts also waste my time.
>
> Filtering them out would save you more time, ban
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 09:09:39AM +0200, Michael Bramer wrote:
> hello
>
> we sould stop this and start after woody again...
>
> On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 08:17:46PM +0100, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > On Thu, Mar 28, 2002 at 04:55:17PM +0100, Otto Wyss wrote:
> > >
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
> > the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go som
On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 07:49:49AM -0500, Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 09, 2002 at 10:37:31AM +0200, Peter Mathiasson wrote:
> > On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 11:47:42PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software
t; suspended, and to upgrade them to 3.x I would need to have them
> running in 2.0 to turn them off properly).
It's your own fault. You choosed to run non-free software, now you get
the consequences. Debian doesn't support vmware, so go somewhere else
with your vmware problems. (Debi
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:22:53PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 09:29:27PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > IMO, an FDL-licensed document with invariant sections is non-free. As a
> > > user of Debian, I'd like to know that they're not inst
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 05:28:19PM -0700, Joseph Carter wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 02:04:12PM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > The GNU FDL violates the DFSG ?
> > >
> > > In case this is true, nearly all KDE packages have to be moved to
> > > n
o chmod o-x for the all the init
scripts or other things, but IMHO those things should not go into
Debian.
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do about it... ;)
We can do something about it, that is we will not allow downloads
before most servers have the images.
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On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 10:28:12PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers
>
> | It does also other things, like making distribution creation more
> | flexible. I'm thinking of having a some kind of package file for every
> | source package. That would include the
gt;
> i can be wrong but the new fdl specifies that invariant sections should
> be off-topic.
The funny thing is that this is made clear in the thread he pointed
at. That thread is a really interested read BTW (it makes me subscribe
to debian-legal :-).
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clause. So if we are going to move all FDL'd documentation to non-free
we can better move all GPL'd software to non-free at same time.
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ve to be moved to
> non-free as they use the GNU FDL for the documentation. For example :
> open KHelpcenter and click on "Introduction to KDE".
We should also move binutils and gcc to non-free because the manpages
are under the GNU FDL.
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On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 04:12:16AM +0300, Richard Braakman wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 03:03:14AM +0200, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > We should not advertise directly or indirectly non-free software.
>
> Er, we _host_ non-free software on our servers, and distribute it via
>
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:48PM -0500, Colin Walters wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 17:54, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
>
> > The thing I want say is: Debian is about free software, IMHO we should
> > not have such a prominent sponser promoting non-free
> > software. Especia
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 07:30:21PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 18:59, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > The keyword here is "prominent".
>
> Yes, it is.
>
> > The
> > Debian servers don't run non-free software provided by HP and/OR
> &g
On Sun, Apr 07, 2002 at 12:17:46AM +0100, Thom May wrote:
> * Jeroen Dekkers ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote :
> >
> > It subverts my principles (and probably also others). The fact that
> > the company itself is probably also going to distribute non-free
> > software
On Sat, Apr 06, 2002 at 05:25:10PM -0500, Joe Drew wrote:
> On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 15:09, Jeroen Dekkers wrote:
> > > I don't *like* the registration page being hosted on IIS. But I prefer a
> > > registration page to no registration page at all.
> >
> > Is it
eard something about a new release of Gnome coming out too. Gcc 3.1's
> also due soon. We're also a touch behind with X. Heck, we're even a major
> release behind with dpkg... :)
Reasons enough to release woody+1 not too late. Then we can probably
include the Hurd too and hopefully a
AND DESERVES SUPPORT, NOT
> SCORN.
You don't have to shout.
So if microsoft starts spending real money on debconf 3, we all have
to start supporting them? Sorry, I think this is ridiculous. Does
debconf really need money from a proprietary software company? Why
does Debian promote of no
ocation. You should use dynamic
allocation and not limit you in any way.
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