On 13.02.2020 09:14, Timo Weingärtner wrote:
Hallo Ulrike,
Quoting from there: "Master-slave is an oppressive metaphor that will
and should never become fully detached from history."
I don't think giving slaves new labels helps them in any way; they will still
be slaves.
You missed the p
Marco d'Itri wrote:
On Jul 28, Bernd Zeimetz wrote:
" Insserv will become essential together with sysv-rc, and is not
supposed to be simple to remove any more. Dependency based boot
sequencing is going to become the default and suppoted boot sequencing
method. I'll remove the option to disab
I have also some thoughs about DPL talk:
Debian is NOT an universal operating system.
Debian is going in direction to be an universal collection
of OSes.
1- One size fits all ?
IMHO the "universal os" seems to imply this. I don't agree.
We need different solutions. IMHO embedian is an example
Clint Adams wrote:
[not replying off-list because that seems counterproductive and arrogant]
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 03:49:15PM +, brian m. carlson wrote:
Actually, if it's invoked as /bin/sh, it is supposed to be
Bourne-compatible. That's my experience with the current version:
Not much
Gabor Gombas wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 06:39:53PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
BTW it seems that all previous tries to remove the bug in bash failed.
Actually it's not a bug in bash at all. The bug is the combined effect
of how bash behaves and how the NSS functionali
Goswin von Brederlow wrote:
Giacomo Catenazzi writes:
Raphael Geissert wrote:
Hello everybody,
This is a follow up to my previous thread, with a slightly different proposal.
What actually needs to be done is:
* Make dash essential, make it divert the current /bin/sh symlink by
default
Gabor Gombas wrote:
Hi,
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:31:04AM -0500, Manoj Srivastava wrote:
I think you are not going far enough. Why should I have dash on
the system when my default shell is posh? or (gasp) zsh?
posh (or "strict POSIX" in general) is simply not practical, and zsh is
Steve Langasek wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 04:33:21AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
Steve, let's take a step back and calm down.
Are you saying that your objection to engineering a solution where
dash doesn't need to be essential is that it's not worth the effort?
I *think* that was the point
Manoj Srivastava wrote:
On Wed, Jul 22 2009, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
If we remove the essential flag, we have a nice feature:
the packages who needs bash need to be documented (via Depends).
Can you tell me how long did it take to move from /usr/doc to
/usr/share/doc?
I don't
Raphael Geissert wrote:
Hello everybody,
This is a follow up to my previous thread, with a slightly different proposal.
What actually needs to be done is:
* Make dash essential, make it divert the current /bin/sh symlink by default,
make another essential package depend on dash. Prompt the use
Russ Allbery wrote:
> martin f krafft writes:
>> also sprach Steve Langasek [2009.06.25.0703 +0200]:
>
>>> The government IDs are relevant because when we're collaborating on
>>> an OS where there's minimal code review of the work done by
>>> maintainers and a well-chosen malicious package could
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le vendredi 19 juin 2009 à 10:05 +, Sune Vuorela a écrit :
>>> +The usage of this format is highly recommended but as long as it's not
>>> +endorsed by the Debian policy, it will not be required. It is however
>> "And there is no plan to make it required in the future"
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On Jun 02, "Giacomo A. Catenazzi" wrote:
>
>> - there is still a close windows in initram, and possibility
>> at early rc scripts.
> No.
>
>> - /var is still not mounted, so programs could not write they status, nor
>> log failures
> So programs which have such requirem
Y Giridhar Appaji Nag wrote:
> I filed a lintian wishlist bug (#527363) requesting a I/W tag when non
> documentation packages recommend documentation packages.
(...)
>
> Would there be any objections to filing minor/wishlist bugs against these
> packages? I am including a tentative dd-list corr
Ben Finney wrote:
> Manoj Srivastava writes:
>
>> On Thu, May 07 2009, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>>
>>> Le jeudi 07 mai 2009 à 11:02 +1000, Ben Finney a écrit :
Those who want a read-only ‘/usr’ don't seriously try to leave it
read-only while installing or upgrading packages, do they?
>>
Marco d'Itri wrote:
> On May 06, Josselin Mouette wrote:
>
>> Given that the default configuration is extremely simplistic and doesn???t
>> use a percent of either exim or postfix features, I still wonder why it
>> is not something like nullmailer or ssmtp.
> Because it's expected from a UNIX sy
Luk Claes wrote:
> Steve Langasek wrote:
>> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:06:26PM +0200, martin f krafft wrote:
>>> also sprach Carsten Hey [2009.05.05.1645 +0200]:
>
>>> FWIW, Ubuntu did what I consider the right thing:
>>> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21235281/mdadm_2.6.7.1-1ubuntu4_2.6.7.1-1ubun
John Goerzen wrote:
> Julien BLACHE wrote:
>> John Goerzen wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>> I, for one, have heard just about enough of "Hey developers, we're doing
>>> $FOO, and it's already been decided, so put up or shut up" from people.
>>> I'd like a little bit more along the lines of "Hey developers
Stefano Zacchiroli wrote:
> On Wed, May 06, 2009 at 12:10:54AM +0200, Joerg Jaspert wrote:
>>> So, does anybody still see reasons to continue supporting a standalone
>>> /usr?
>> There had been lots of responses to that.
>
> Yes, the most repeated argument has been mount /usr via NFS.
> Unfortunat
Roger Leigh wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2009 at 05:41:06PM +0200, Stéphane Glondu wrote:
>> Marco d'Itri a écrit :
>>> I know that Debian supports this, but I also know that maintaning
>>> forever large changes to packages for no real gain sucks.
>>> A partial list of invalid reasons is: [...]
>> How
James Vega wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 07:24:59PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>> James Vega wrote:
>>> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>>>> I find no official documentation on format of debian/watch files.
>>&
James Vega wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 30, 2009 at 03:16:44PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> I find no official documentation on format of debian/watch files.
>
> man uscan
I mean in policy or reference or such official docs.
Now it is a generic convenience (for maintaner) file.
These is also no
Bjørn Mork wrote:
> Michael Biebl writes:
>
>> See the hal-disable-polling man page. In short: hardware support for MMC
>> media
>> change notification is broken.
>
> Err. You are using the "broken firmware" argument both ways.
>
> You should follow your own advice regarding the drives spinni
Gunnar Wolf wrote:
> Roger Leigh dijo [Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 03:49:54PM +0100]:
>>> How shall I answer that?
>>> I know that I myself use auto-mounting extensively and also don't expect my
>>> father to type someting like "mount /dev/hdc /mnt/cdrom"
>> Absolutely, but this is a separate issue. Yo
Didier Raboud wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>>> No, users should file bugs if their HW is broken so that those can be
>>> blacklisted too.
>> Are you joking?
>> For one year that user could not use debian stable?
>>
>> BTW for one reported bug, there are 10 u
Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> Emilio Pozuelo Monfort wrote:
>>> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>>>> Michael Biebl wrote:
>>>>> Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> For these two reas
Michael Biebl wrote:
> Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> Michael Biebl wrote:
>>> Roger Leigh wrote:
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 05:52:41PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
> Roger Leigh wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 03:55:15PM +0200, Michael Biebl wrote:
>>> hal does not poll remo
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Manoj Srivastava wrote:
> - Ability to recognize and render the following logical entities, in
>decreasing order of importance:
>+ unordered lists
>+ ordered lists
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>+ emphasis
>+ strong emphasis
>+ definition l
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Robert Millan wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 09, 2009 at 10:27:19PM -0500, Adam Majer wrote:
>> License and copyright are one and the same.
>>
>> GPL license relies on copyright law, just like almost any other open
>> source license there is, be it BSD, Artistic
Samuel Thibault wrote:
>> I installed grub (and Debian). Trying the Windows hidden partition
>> (to install windows), grub stopped working (it was rescue mode, but
>> without capability to rescue something). Also rescue disk +
>> reconfiguring + update-grub did nothing.
>
> Err, did you re-run i
Steve Langasek wrote:
> On Fri, Feb 27, 2009 at 09:46:15AM +0100, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>>> Given that m-t-a is mentioned explicitly in policy, and that "default-mta"
>>> will be a virtual package, I think this should be recorded in policy as well
>>> - though if a clear consensus emerges on
Josselin Mouette wrote:
> Le lundi 16 février 2009 à 18:08 +0200, Teodor a écrit :
>> There is no need to create another standard, FHS is being continued in
>> the LSB project at linuxfoundation.org / freestandards.org. FHS was
>> the starting point for LSB.
>> Even if the LSB project has been crit
Rondal wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> UnrealIRCd has many licensing and code-quality issues which would
>> block it's inclusion in a Debian release.
>
> I admit that the sourcecode is not of the highest quality, but I do not
> see where it will block inclusion into Debian. About the licensing issues
> I alre
kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz wrote:
>
> __
>> Od: jackyf.de...@gmail.com Komu: kc.ubuntu...@centrum.cz CC:
>> debian-devel@lists.debian.org, de...@lists.debian.org Datum:
>> 09.02.2009 18:15 Předmět: Re: incapable and obsolete APT / Aptitude
>
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Severity: wishlist
Owner: Giacomo Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Package name: bauble
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Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>> On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 12:55:34PM +0200, Giacomo Catenazzi wrote:
>>> Wouter Verhelst wrote:
>>> I'm not so sure that the test should be packages.
>>> The system is too different on early boot from
Wouter Verhelst wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As I mentioned in my blog[1], I kindof like the suggestion that Bdale
Yes, I find the talk very interesting.
> So, after more than twelve hours of boredom on an airplane and half a
> night of not-being-able-to-sleep-due-to-jetlag, which is certainly
> enough to t
Russ Allbery wrote:
> Robert Millan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
>> Therefore Lenny is not Debian, but a superset of it?
>>
>> This is troubling. Do you have any suggestions on how to address this?
>
> I recommend not attributing such judgements to the configuration files of
> software packages
Robert Millan wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2008 at 03:18:24PM +0200, Giacomo A. Catenazzi wrote:
>> : Origin: Debian
>> : Label: Debian
>> : Suite: testing
>> : Codename: lenny
>> : Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 08:39:59 UTC
>> : Architectures: alpha amd64 arm armel hppa i386 ia64 mips mipsel
>> powerpc s390
Package: wnpp
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Owner: Giacomo Catenazzi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
* Package name: g15tools and g15daemon
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Progr
Tim Dijkstra wrote:
So doesn't this mean it's time to change the social contract or the DFSG
(are standards software?) to make an exception for 'documents and files
describing standards'. It's clear that we can't live without them (hence
should be in main), and it is also clear there is no use in
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